Patek Philippe Tourbillon Watches: Ultimate Vintage
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Patek Philippe Tourbillon Watches: Ultimate Vintage

By quattro · May 18, 2025 · 21 replies
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Emmanuel, known as quattro on WatchProSite, delves into the fascinating history of Patek Philippe's rare André Bornand tourbillon calibers. His meticulous research unearths details about these exceptional movements, originally designed for the Geneva Observatory trials. This article provides an invaluable look into these horological treasures, many of which reside in prestigious museums or private collections.

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During the 1940s, 50s and 60s, André Bornand (1892-1967), who was a professor at the Geneva School of Watchmaking and one of the most famous tourbillon specialists of the 20th century, designed a few tourbillon calibers specifically for the Geneva Observatory trials.

Five of them, built between 1958 and 1966, are rectangular, referenced as Caliber 34T and are numbered 861.490 and 866.500 to 866.503. They feature an unusual 50 seconds tourbillon and have a Guillaume compensating balance and steel Breguet balance spring, as well as a cage made of beryllium bronze (21,600 vph, 57h of power reserve). These movements were cased later, in the early 1980s, and the watches were given the ref. 3834:
  • The watches with movement n° 861.490 & 866.503 belong to the Patek Philippe Museum
  • The watch with movement n° 866.500 belongs to the Beyer Museum
  • The watch with movement n° 866.502 was sold at Antiquorum in 1989
  • The watch with movement n° 866.501 is nowhere to be found at the moment
Another one, completed in 1945, is round and numbered 861.115. It has a bimetallic Guillaume balance and steel Breguet overcoil, and beats at 21,600 vph. In 1987, it was cased, given ref. number 3699 and worn as a personal watch by Mr. Philippe Stern.

Let's dive in!

Best, Emmanuel


A/ THE BEYER EXAMPLE, movement n° 866.500 (cal. 34T, watch ref. number 3834)







































credit: hodinkee & 219 here on WPS


B/ THE EXAMPLE SOLD AT ANTIQUORUM, movement n° 866.502 (cal. 34T, watch ref. number 3834)  (lot 299 at Antiquorum, Geneva, 9th April 1989)


credit: antiquorum


C/ THE TWO EXAMPLES OF THE PATEK PHILIPPE MUSEUM (cal. 34T, watch ref. number 3834)

1/ Movement n° 866.503














credit: zhuanlan.zhihu (1), Pinterest (2) DCC here on WPS (3), Treasures of the Patek Philippe Museum (4), Patek Philippe (5), Martin Huber & Alan Banbery, Patek Philippe, Geneve. Montres-bracelets - Armbanduhren - Orologi da polso - Wristwatches, 1988 (6) & marcgebauer (7) 


2/ Movement n° 861.490 (left) & 866.503 (right)


credit: charlitos on relojes-especiales


D/ THE PHILIPPE STERN EXAMPLE, movement n° 861.115, watch ref. 3699






credit: Patek Philippe Museum


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About the Patek Philippe Calatrava Ref. 600

The Patek Philippe Calatrava reference 600 is a significant early example within the Calatrava lineage, representing the foundational design principles of the collection. This reference predates many of the more complex complications found in later Patek Philippe models, focusing instead on purity of form and legibility. It embodies the brand's commitment to traditional watchmaking and understated design, setting a precedent for subsequent Calatrava iterations.

This particular reference typically features a case crafted from precious metals, often yellow gold, with a modest diameter that aligns with historical preferences for dress watches. The movement powering the reference 600 would be a manual-winding caliber, reflecting the mechanical advancements of its era. The crystal would have been a material common for the period, protecting a dial designed for clarity and timeless appeal.

For collectors, the reference 600 holds importance as an early and unadorned representation of the Calatrava's core aesthetic. Its simplicity and historical context make it a desirable piece for those interested in the evolution of Patek Philippe's most enduring dress watch collection. Variants within this reference would primarily involve different dial finishes or case materials, maintaining the essential Calatrava character.

Specifications

Case
18k yellow gold
Diameter
31mm
Dial
Silver
Crystal
Acrylic

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KM
KMII
May 18, 2025
These are quite spectacular 👌🏻🙌🏻👏🏻

Just out of curiosity, is there a reason for the 50 seconds tourbillon?

QU
quattro
May 18, 2025
My guess is that the reason lies in the goal of accuracy:

a tourbillon aims to average out positional errors in the escapement by constantly rotating. A 50-second rotation theoretically offers faster averaging, which could slightly enhance accuracy... But someone more knowledgeable could have a better answer (my guess might be completely wrong)... Best, Emmanuel

QU
quattro
May 18, 2025
Or maybe it's just a "tour de force"

showing the ability to manufacture what would be, I presume, highly unusual gears...

MO
montres1
May 18, 2025
Wow, your posts are always full of great surprises and valuable information ! Now my target in life will be to uncover the 866.501 !! :-D Thanks for sharing !

QU
quattro
May 18, 2025
Thank you for looking and for the kind words.

Let us know if you find the 866.501! Have a very nice Sunday. Best, Emmanuel

FM
fmc000
May 18, 2025
I rarely comment these days but...

...this is a really great post. Thanks for the very valuable information, I learnt something new today.

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