Patek Philippe Celestial 6104G and 5102RP
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Patek Philippe Celestial 6104G and 5102RP

By Dje · Jun 30, 2010 · 24 replies
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Dje presents a poetic and philosophical exploration of Patek Philippe's Celestial references, the 6104G and 5102RP. This article delves into the profound appeal of these sky-map watches, examining their futuristic allure and the emotional connection they forge with collectors. Dje invites readers to consider the Celestial not just as a timepiece, but as a 'porthole' to the cosmos, blending horological artistry with a sense of wonder.

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It has been some years now since the introduction of the Celestial dial on some Patek Philippe wristwatches.

I have to confess that I’ve never been excessively appealed by these watches. The Star calibre is another subject on the contrary.

Still I’ve realized the extraordinary appeal of a sky map on some serious collectors. This nearly unique feature, nearly specific for Patek Philippe (the Van Cleef is the other one that immediately comes to my mind) has the power to focus the desire of some of the most discerning and satisfied collectors. Why?




Patek Philippe 5102 RP

One aspect that I easily understand is the fascination for the “outer space”. If I had to choose a dream, walking on the moon would come fast. As I’m certainly not alone, if this dream could turn into reality, I’d be worried about traffic jams on the Earth’s satellite.

So to some extent Tintin may be for something in the appeal for the Patek Philippe Celestial models. Jules Verne is a more serious tempter. More recently Star Wars is a probable source of unconscious appeal building. Are you all Celestial lovers potential Jedi Knights?




Patek Philippe 6104G

In fact the notion of porthole is IMO totally present with this watch. Looking at the watch I feel like I’d be travelling in a spaceship and looking at the “window” to admire the “cyberspace”.

Maybe these watches are the most futuristic timepieces ever conceived?

Maybe they just let us look at the natural landscape we don’t have the capacity to see anymore? I’m sure centuries of lovers have admired the stars, and now we’re so much admiring the car lights on the highway…..




The date like a red moon

The date (through a central hand) on the new 6104 is a good feature for an everyday use (while the diamond ring may not be). Still I fear that the watch looses too much of its purity and I’d prefer a “simpler” 5102. But that’s not the question!

The 6104 is to some extent the more visible daughter of the unique piece auctioned last year on the same base. It is also thanks to its diamonds a more feminine option (and also thanks to its date, as my wife loves the date function, while I generally dislike it). I’d love to read women’s opinions about this special piece?




Jewelled 6104 buckle

Rarity is probably another source of interest as we seem to see so many perpetual calendar chronographs these days….

Not that I don’t like them, I’d really love to wear a 5970P on a daily basis, but I truly believe that the Celestial models are really rare, like the enamel worldtime, while the perpetual calendar chronographs are just sought after! When a watch is rare (and beautiful) each opportunity to see one is more extraordinary, more satisfying.

In fact I love to see celestial models, but that’s a 5131G that I’d like to wear!




Purer 5102

Another aspect that I didn’t mention yet is that the 5102 and 6104 also have the unique privilege to be associated with the extreme 5002, the revered Sky Moon Tourbillon. They are associated through the case style and obviously the magical landscape. I have little doubt un-consciously the Celestial wearers can feel that they wear the Sky Moon Tourbillon as much as they can feel that they’re getting closer to the moon.




A window to the sky

The last aspect that I see is that there’s some poetry in a complicated watch with no use and so little “tool” interaction with the wearer. You can’t change it, start it, use it, stop it. You can’t ask it to remind you of the reality of our world. You can just (just!) hope it to let you dream!




More of a daily wear

Have you ever thought of owning this piece? Do you want to share your motivations, if you’ve realized some?

Cheers

Dje



This message has been edited by Dje on 2010-06-30 14:50:15 This message has been edited by Dje on 2010-07-04 13:11:36

About the IWC Big Pilot Ref. 5002

The Patek Philippe Sky Moon Tourbillon reference 5002 stands as a highly complex double-faced wristwatch within the brand's grand complication offerings. It integrates a significant array of functions, distinguishing it as a flagship model for collectors interested in horological complexity and traditional craftsmanship. The reference is notable for its comprehensive display of astronomical indications alongside traditional timekeeping and calendar functions.

This timepiece features a case crafted from precious metal, housing a manually wound movement. The watch is equipped with a sapphire crystal on both the front and reverse sides, allowing for observation of the intricate dials and the movement. Its substantial case dimensions accommodate the complex caliber, which includes a minute repeater and a tourbillon, alongside multiple calendar and astronomical displays.

As a grand complication, the reference 5002 appeals to collectors seeking Patek Philippe's highest level of mechanical artistry. Its dual-dial presentation and extensive complication set, including a perpetual calendar with retrograde date, sidereal time, and a sky chart, position it as a significant piece for those focused on technical achievement and the brand's heritage in complex watchmaking. The limited production and intricate nature contribute to its collector relevance.

Specifications

Caliber
R TO 27 QR SID LU CL
Case
Platinum
Diameter
42.8 mm
Dial
Blue
Water Resist.
25m
Crystal
Sapphire

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BI
bimbeano
Jun 30, 2010
In fact ...

.. the 5102 could be the watch if i had to choose one and only one watch ... unfortunately i don't have the budget for it unless i sell my house (and buy a nice Lambo with the rest of the money ..) . Reading your poëtic post enlightens my brain .. my dream would also be stepping on the moon (preferably travelling in an original Apollo spaceship to make things a bit exciting offcourse). Thanks for this trip in space Dje .... Filip

DJ
Dje
Jul 4, 2010
Thanks Filip

Hi, We won't share the travel, but we can share the dream! Thank you for your words. Cheers Dje

LA
la montre
Jun 30, 2010
CELESTIAL

As the owner of the 5102G & 5102PR I find the CELESTIAL, captures my visual sense, of coarse while considering the quality & substance of the piece. As with most we look at our watches to give an indication of the time, which can be displayed is many different ways & forms. No doubt there are some who like to look @ their timepieces without any consideration of the time. I have to admit I do it on occasion, especially with the CELESTIAL, as the play of light creates different moods. The CELESTIA

DJ
Dje
Jul 4, 2010
Thank you for sharing your owner's thoughts!

Hi, Thank you for your thoughts. Please don't hesitate to share some pics. Cheers Dje

AM
amanico
Jun 30, 2010
I'm one of those crazy guys about the Celestial.

The Celestial is, with the Minute Repeater, a pure piece of Poetry. Useless? It has been made to know the exact positiion of the stars...Some would think it is useful, the vast majority would see it as an useless and expensive toy, I look at it as a pure and necessary piece of Poetry. Like a Minute Repeater... If I consider getting one? Well, the 5102 G was ( and still is ) a grail watch for me ( Fernando, if I see you laughting... ). I don't appreciate the jewelled version or the two tones one,

DJ
Dje
Jul 4, 2010
Thank you Nicolas

Hi, I know you truly love this watch and hope you'll get one someday. I'm sure this is one of these once in the lifetime pieces. Cheers Dje

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