Patek Philippe 5930G World Time Chronograph
New Release

Patek Philippe 5930G World Time Chronograph

By Mark in Paris · Mar 25, 2016 · 66 replies
Mark in Paris
WPS member · Patek Philippe forum
66 replies51520 views1 photos
f 𝕏 in 💬 ✉ 🔗

Mark in Paris delivers a detailed first impression of the Patek Philippe World Time Chronograph 5930G, a significant 2016 Baselworld release. His analysis delves into how this new reference reinterprets Patek Philippe's historical World Time complications, particularly its unique blend of a world time function with a chronograph. Mark's insights into the watch's design nuances, especially the blue dial's subtle grey hue, offer valuable context for collectors considering this modern classic.

Hi everyone,

As I said in my previous pre-review of the 5230 reference, two of the main novelties from this 2016 Basel fair have particularly attracted attention -- the new World Time references: Patek Philippe 5230 World Time only and Patek Philippe 5930G World Time Chronograph, inspired from the unique 1415-1 piece from 1940. 





To begin with, you may want to refresh your memories by reading an article I wrote in late 2015 about the history of Patek's World Time pieces, here: www.watchprosite.com

I find it interesting that these are two very different offers; to me it is not just a simple version and a more complicated same one. The 5230 follows in the line of its predecessors in a perfectly updated way, whereas the 5930 is more impressive and more complicated. There is a touch of casual and sport for dynamic people in the latter that I think is very attractive.

I have made 2 threads in order to make it more readable with our forum display.

This one is about the new 5930 World Time Chronograph. You'll find the 5230's post here: www.watchprosite.com




THE PATEK PHILIPPE 5930 WORLD TIME CHRONOGRAPH
This new reference occupies a new spot in the collection and is inspired by an old piece we hadn't seen for a very long while. As I reminded in my WT historical article, the previous (and unique) model was born in 1940, at a client's request. It was the 1415-1 you see here below. It features a dial with pulsimeter and asthmometer scales, and probably belonged to a physician (cf my WT article linked in my introduction for further details). Thus, with the reference 5930, Patek Philippe is now adding the World Time Chronograph as a new member to its regular collection. The unique 1415-1: 

 

 
This reference represents a complication combination we have only seen once before in Patek's collection, even though the chronograph range of Patek ranks among the most eclectic, extending from manually wound classics with horizontal clutches and the world's thinnest split-seconds chronograph with two column wheels to the monopusher chronograph with a minute repeater and an instantaneous perpetual calendar. Now, the new 5930 brings together what is so compellingly complementary.

The first thing you can notice is that it is all blue (yes it is). From what I understand and from what I could see in the videos and some live pictures, the blue has a little grey hue in the metal. In many fields, as paint colors, clothing, fabric in general, whenever you have a color mixed with a touch of grey, it gives a more sober but also more elegant feeling. Patek Philippe has applied this principle to the color for this dial as well. This is particularly something which changes with lighting and from which angle you look at the watch. 

The result of this color choice seems to be a much more subtle look and more refined feeling whereas the impression I had when looking at the first pictures from the press release was that it looked sportier or more casual as the blue tint looked more "electric". I felt there was something missing, especially from Patek. Hence, I thought it didn't attract me very much at first. However, it seems in the end that this color detail changes everything and that it is much more elegant and Patek-like than we thought. More than that, it might be a stunning move. To be confirmed in the metal of course but I'm sure you will tell us as well if you handle it whether at Basel or later.


It is mounted on a hand-stitched matt navy blue alligator strap with large square scales to match the dial, equipped with a fold-over clasp.

 

 
ABOUT THE AESTHETICAL ORIENTATIONS
The 5930 reference is 39.5x12.8mm (whereas the 5230 is 38.5x10.2mm). What is really interesting is that the brand decided to maintain the watch under 40mm while the watch looks a little more casual and is thicker. I wondered first if it was not a will to keep it in the traditional side. For instance, the 5960 model housing a 28-520 and an additional complication module (Annual Calendar) is 40.5x13.55 mm. This shows the size has been maintained quite low for what it offers movement-wise. 

This being said, and after a few days, there is something I found interesting from the very few wristshot pictures I could see: the fact the watch is not on the big width side (above 41) makes the watch have a very nice traditional look. Let me explain. 

It reminds me of complicated models we saw in the 1950's - 1960's. At that time, I remember seeing watches that were sometimes thick and more complicated but which remained in smaller case sizes (usual for that time). When you see the 3970 on a wrist for instance there is also this small diameter and thick feeling I like a lot, related to that older period. I like it because it reminds me of these older times aesthetical standards. Again, to be confirmed in the metal but it will bring a very nice and authentic additional vintage spirit to the watch; like a nice traditional complicated and thicker watch from several decades ago. I like that spirit very much and this is again a move from Patek I find very interesting and I wouldn't have thought of. 


Furthermore, the angled bezel top side is much more visible compared to the usual 5296-5396-5496 one, or the 5170's (similar style). Baron underlined it was a nice detail we saw also in the 3448. 


Finally, the overall impressions I have from the dial is the same spirit, especailly the hands's shape and the markers, altogether with the other decoration elements in this dial. Very 1940's-1950's. It is not just about adding one or two details in a classical watch. It is a whole new complete and homogeneous design.


Please, have a look at the video at the bottom of this article to have a better idea of what I mean (especially at the beginning), even if you won't see it on a wrist.


As both the Chronograph and the World Time complications remain quite complex, keeping thickness quite low seems to have been a real challenge. When compared to the VC (42.5x11.62mm, with 37 cities) for instance, I think I prefer having this kind of size, so that it sits more comfortably on the wrist. It doesn't feel oversized and less elegant on the wearer. Especially when you consider the fact the 5930 offers a vertical clutch Flyback Chronograph as well.


Something we learn in the video down below is that, in order to gain space and reduce the thickness of the movement, the aesthetical parts (dial) are merged with the movement elements. Another interesting detail about the fact that Patek uses room in the watch as efficiently as possible to make the watch as thin as it can be. It is easy to compile mechanics but to do so in a limited space is even more of a challenge which is observed in the final result and wearability.


 


It has been updated with new cities for some time zones – for instance Dubai instead of Riyadh or Brisbane instead of NoumĂ©a – and takes into account the fact that Moscow changed its local time from UTC+4 to UTC+3. 

A small gap between the city disk and the 24-hour ring accommodates the seconds scale for chronograph measurements. It is a narrow white circular scale with fourth-of-a-second graduations. This subdivision reflects the movement frequency of 4 hertz (28,800 A/h), which allows times to be stopped to an accuracy of one-eighth of a second.


   

The dial has been designed to provide an optimized legibility. Considering that this is a World Time model, I find the  dial very clear to read.  

 


It sports a subtle manually guilloched decoration (a bit like the 5110's) interrupted only by the white gold index markers and the 30-minute chronograph counter. This subdial stands out with a delicate white gold surround, the white minute scale, and the discreet circular-grained finish. I'm not sure I like this subdial size or position. No other place to put it considering the 28-520 (at least I don't see one) but this is the only issue I have with this watch to date.

One detail I like a lot is the plaque holding the Patek Philippe logo. I find it very qualitative and don't remember if it was used before (maybe someone does?). It matches very well with the silvery elements (the 24H ring, the chronograph's scale, etc...) and the silvery general decoration.

Finally, when having a look at these hands, I think after seeing now the 5204 and the 5905P, that I like their style a lot. Not the fact they are less classical than traditional leaf hands, they are just from another era, like the Dauphine hands are also. I would say earlier for these hands, like the 1950's perhaps. The fact they have a line of lume inside is of course part of the impression, and they wouldn't have been the same without it. The hands are facetted with 3 different levels. A very nice design imho that we will certainly see again in the future. 



 


It features the same winglet-style strap lugs that were a key design element of the 1940s and 1950s World Time watches. The time-zone correction button is still at 10 o'clock and has the same rectangular profile as the two chronograph pushers. 

It is my taste talking, but I find this side case gorgeous. The lugs count for a huge part in this feeling.


 

 
As a side note, you know that I'm not keen on using magnifying glasses to look at movements as they are hand-decorated elements and that it can't be perfect at this magnifying rate. It is something to be admired at the 1:1 scale, imho. The same way, don't forget that these pictures are massively cropped and that a dial always looks more interesting and pretty when all the elements are smaller. We even have a better overall picture of the watch, it balance and how all the elements work together, compared to seeing them separately on a big picture.

ABOUT THE MOVEMENT 

The biggest difference from its ancestor is that both the World Time and the Chronograph complications have significantly evolved since 1940, as you can imagine. Thus, the combination of both is a totally different mechanism from its ancestor.

The movement used as a base in the 28-520 caliber is the same we saw in the 5960 or 5905 families but the chronograph movement and the World Time mechanism were enhanced with extensive modifications in order to adapt the chronograph's minute counter to the WT's cities and 24H/Day-Night rings mechanism. 

As Patek says, axes were shifted, bridges thinned and newly designed, and component clearances changed - so such so that the caliber CH 28-520 HU can legitimately be called a new movement. It embodies everything that belongs to Patek Philippe's proud watchmaking heritage while featuring technical and functional innovations that make it a latest-generation movement. This also applies to its operation, in line with Patek Philippe's commitment to user-friendliness. The chronograph has a start/stop pusher at 2 o'clock and a reset pusher at 4 o'clock that also doubles as a flyback pusher. When it is pressed while the chronograph is running, the sweep hand flies back to zero and a new time measurement is started automatically. Because the chronograph hand is powered via a vertical clutch, it can also be used as a permanently running seconds hand without risking undue wear and without affecting the rate accuracy and power reserve of the watch. 

We'll see that in the review later in the year. 




The caliber hosts the purple-blue shimmer of the patented Spiromax balance spring in Silinvar (silicon-based material). 

 A last note about the WT + Chronograph combination. I don't really agree with the question about the coherence. What is the link between the AC and Chrono in a 5960? THe chrono and PC? etc... if you closely have a look at complications' combination in any brands, you'll see they mostly don't have anything in common. 

 I can understand though the fact that there would be more reasons to find this kind of "symbiosis" between a WT and a Chronograph. As Moritz suggested in another thread, a 12H counter instead of 30 minutes one would have been quite cool indeed (a kind of additional Dual Time display or for flights!). 


Here is the video from Mr. Philip Barat, head of Patek Philippe Developement presenting the new 5930 reference. Take the time to listen to how the dial is included in the movement's developement in order to use space the most-optimized way.






CONCLUSION


It is funny how I evolved from a quite neutral/colder reaction as it was not a watch I felt was for me, prefering several other references launched in Baselworld, to a quick progression toward the very first steps of the podium. I of course have to confirm this when I'll be able to handle it in one month or so but it is very promising and ended to be something I'm eagerly looking forward to discover.

I read earlier this could be the 5524 Pilot of 2016. I must say that I disagree. First, I think that time will strengthen the legitimacy of the 5524 in the collection as it has already, after a whole year, widened the horizon but I also think they are not at all representing the same spirit. This is definitely not a watch made to broaden the "audience" whatever the consequences. How many times has Patek found to be right launching non-consensual models (remember the first World Time references as the 515 or 96 HU or the very first 5070)? Of course, it seems to remain a classical though less traditional piece, in opposition to dressy models. What matters is that, in the end, it seems to be very worthy of Patek Philippe and to have its own place in the collection thanks to its spirit, its elegant casual look and complication.

I will come back to it but, from my recent thoughts about the new collection, we had a classical line next to a chic-sport one (Nautilus). Until last week. Since then, I think we are getting a 3rd line in the family. The issue Thierry Stern is facing today is to discover how to bring modernity to the collection and helping the brand not to stand still, while saveguarding its reputation of elegance and refinement. Thus adding the good touch of modernism and not the heavy and fashionable one. I think that the 5230 and 5930 open a new kind of less classical design pieces but, as it is related to 1950's-1960's elements (which were great years in terms of style IMHO, think about the Mad Men show) it is going to be a stunning move (between the Classics and the Nautiluses). By the way the 6300G's side case decoration (Clous de Paris) reminds me of the lighters from that period as well (though they were also used during the 1930's).

You know where I imagine wearing that 5930 piece? In the TWA airport terminal in the 60's...

But I'll develop that later.

We are going to talk a lot about this one in the next few months once we handle it.

Pricing will be €.66 870 in France.

Thank you for reading and I'd like to hear your thoughts on this one when you feel ready.

Cheers




Technical data 

Ref. 5930 World Time Chronograph 
Movement: Caliber CH 28-520 HU Self-winding mechanical movement, column-wheel chronograph, vertical clutch, local time, display of 24 time zones, day/night indication 
 Diameter: Overall: 33.00 mm 
 Basic caliber: 30.00 mm 
 Time-zone module: 33.00 mm 
 Height: Overall: 7.91 mm 
 Basic caliber: 4.9 mm 
 Time-zone module: 3.01 mm 
 Number of parts: 343 
 Number of jewels: 38 
 Power reserve: Min. 50, max. 55 hours 
 Centrifugal mass: Central rotor in 21K gold, unidirectional winding 
 Balance: Gyromax® 
 Frequency: 28,800 semi-oscillations per hour (4 Hz) 
 Balance spring: Spiromax® 
 Balance spring stud: Adjustable 
 Functions: Two-position crown: 
 â€“ Pulled out: To set the time 
 â€“ Pushed in: To wind the watch 
 Displays: With hands: 
 â€˘ Local time in hours and minutes 
 â€˘ Chronograph hand (trotteuse) 
 â€˘ 30-minute chronograph counter 
 With disks: 
 â€˘ City disk with 24 place names 
 â€˘ 24-hour ring with day/night indication in colors and sun/moon symbols 
 Pushers: Chronograph start and stop at 2 o'clock 
 Chronograph reset and flyback at 4 o'clock 
 Time zone adjustment at 10 o'clock (synchronized adjustment of displays in one-hour steps for the hour hand and 1/24th counterclockwise increments for the city disk and the 24-hour ring) 
 Hallmark: Patek Philippe Seal Continued 5 

Features 
Case: 18K white gold 
 Sapphire-crystal case back 
 Water resistant to 30 meters (3 bar) 
 Case dimensions: Diameter: 39.50 mm 
 Length (across lugs): 48.23 mm 
 Width (3 to 9 o'clock incl. crown): 42.85 mm 
 Thickness (crystal to display back): 12.86 mm 
 Width between lugs: 21 mm 
 Dial: 3-zone dial: 
 â€˘ City disk blue, names printed white 
 â€˘ 24-hour ring with day/night indication in color and sun/moon symbols (day: blue numerals on silvery background; night: white numerals on blue background) 
 â€˘ Center navy blue, hand-guilloched Applied baton hour markers in 18K white gold 
 â€˘ Hands: Hours and minutes: Dauphine hands in 18K white gold, 3 facets, Superluminova coating 
 Parfil chronograph hand in rhodiumed steel 
 30-minute counter hand, baton style, counterbalanced, rhodiumed steel 
 Strap: Hand-stitched alligator with large square scales. Matt navy blue with fold-over clasp in 18K white gold
_______________________________



This message has been edited by Mark in Paris on 2016-04-17 07:01:23

About the Patek Philippe Complications Ref. 515

The Patek Philippe Ref. 515 HU (Heures Universelles) is a piece unique World Time wristwatch from 1937, now on display at the Patek Philippe Museum (Inv. P-938). This extraordinary timepiece features a dial with 28 fixed city names in French, with London and Paris positioned at 12 o'clock, and a 24-hour rotating ring adjustable through the crown. As one of the earliest World Time wristwatches ever made, predating the more widely known Ref. 1415, the 515 HU represents a pivotal moment in Patek Philippe's horological innovation and the development of world time complications.

Specifications

Caliber
Manual-wind
Case
18K Yellow Gold
Diameter
31mm
Dial
Silver with 28 city names
Crystal
Mineral

Key Points from the Discussion

Advertisement
The Discussion
DR
dr.kol
Mar 25, 2016

I have digested the watch for a week now and it already feels much better. Perhaps my slightly negative first impression was because of the blue dial. Everybody has introduced blue dials, a lot of them, and I am already bored with these blue dials. I handled this watch in Basel and it feels very balanced and not thick at all. I can also imagine the watch in red gold and black dial or platinum with i.e. slate grey. What surprises me is that taking into account the complication and brand, the pric

DR
drphileasfogg
Mar 25, 2016

I completely agree with you, the 5930 brings some modernity to the collection; you can definitely see that modernization is Thierry Stern’s mission – and quite understandably if the company wants to remain. Having seen the 5930 live this week (sadly behind a glass window), I find it is quite the star of the show. The dial is well balanced and changes shade of blue with lighting but it is dark and I prefer it to the other blue colors used in the collection, which are to me paler like in the 5327G

AM
amanico
Mar 25, 2016

What is what I regret on the 5230. Now, this reference 5930... It lacks soul, romantism, it can be young, with soul and charm. It is maybe young, but without soul, charm, sex appeal. The only good part, the case, which I find nice. But the dial, the hands, and the movement, they all breathe / look ordinary. It can be badged with a different name from a different brand. I don't recognize a Patek, here, with this reference. An ordinary World Time Chronograph, a pity... Best, Nicolas

HE
heartbreaker
Mar 25, 2016

Thank you Mark for your post! I like the 5930G a lot. Of course, I've seen it only on the internet, and my opinion was made up with very convincing wristshot and very beautiful macro shot. I appreciate the PP's effort on creating something at the same time "modern" and "timeless". In my opinion, if PP wants to streghten its leadership through their collection they "simply" have to continue to propose both classical pieces and original ones. And I think the 5930G falls in this second category. As

MA
Mark in Paris
Mar 25, 2016

When the Nautilus was launched in 1976 it was clearly not a Patek, at all either at that time. But today, would someone say they shouldn't have done it? Of course not. I think I tried to explain is precisely that there are new pieces and especially new designs that are introduced and about which we must ask ourselves "is it going to be the right move when we'll be able to judge in 20 years from now?". Of course I don't have a crystal ball and am not a specialist of design but I think that this w

MA
Mark in Paris
Mar 25, 2016

First day, I put it aside and was attracted by the 5230 and 5327 (and several rose gold models as well but not as clearly). Now I'm understanding it and estimating it much better. In fact, I'm really surprised to say this but if I had to buy something it will be between this one and the 5327 (if confirmed in the emtal of course). I saw some pictures under the shadow where the dial looks black and it looks stunning as well. We'll see in the future what they'll do. As for the AC, I didn't see it t

Advertisement

Continue the conversation

This thread is active on the Patek Philippe forum with 66 replies. Share your knowledge with fellow collectors.

Join the Discussion →