Montblanc 1858 Tachymeter vs. Patek Philippe 5172G
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Montblanc 1858 Tachymeter vs. Patek Philippe 5172G

By amanico · Apr 1, 2019 · 36 replies
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Amanico provides a compelling side-by-side comparison of the Montblanc 1858 Tachymeter in steel and the Patek Philippe 5172G, offering a detailed look at their dial aesthetics, movement architecture, and case dimensions. This post invites collectors to critically evaluate two distinct approaches to the chronograph complication from both a technical and finishing perspective, sparking a lively debate within the community.

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Dial side: With some common elements of style. The Patek has its two sub dials located under the 3 and 9 o clock line, while the Montblanc is well centered. Some will like, others won't. 




Movements: Cal CH 29-525 for the Patek, Cal 16.29 for the Montblanc Villeret Minerva, which is almost 10 mm bigger than the Patek. But with a smaller power reserve ( Circa 55 hours for the Montblanc, 65 hours for the Patek ).


As for the finishings, the Montblanc wins, clearly. 

While for the case, the Patek wins. Smaller, 41 mm instead of 44 mm, thinner, 11, 45 mm / 13, 5 mm,  better finished... 

It is interesting to compare them, I think. 

Best,

Nicolas

About the Montblanc 1858 Collection Ref. 1858

The Rolex Bubble Back, reference 1858, represents an early example of Rolex's self-winding waterproof wristwatches. This reference is part of the broader Bubble Back family, characterized by its distinctive domed case back designed to accommodate the thicker automatic movement of the era. It showcases Rolex's foundational efforts in developing robust and reliable automatic timepieces for everyday wear, laying groundwork for future Oyster Perpetual models.

This particular reference features an 18k white gold case, measuring 38mm in diameter. It is fitted with a sapphire crystal, protecting a silver dial. The watch is powered by an automatic movement, specifically the Boucheron 1858 caliber, offering a power reserve of 42 hours. The fixed bezel and leather strap complete the watch's classic presentation.

For collectors, the reference 1858 holds interest as an early and relatively rare iteration within the Bubble Back series, especially in white gold. Its larger case size for the period also makes it appealing to modern tastes. The presence of a date complication adds to its functionality, distinguishing it from simpler time-only Bubble Back models and highlighting Rolex's early integration of practical features.

Specifications

Caliber
Boucheron 1858
Case
18k white gold
Diameter
38mm
Dial
Silver
Crystal
Sapphire

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@lberti
Apr 1, 2019

i admire patek a lot, but same with Minerva.. great comparison.... Where are the prices on the two?

RV
RvW
Apr 1, 2019

That what you paid for your prototype from JLC?

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FabR
Apr 1, 2019

I thought it was just a cosmetic choice, but then I heard TS say in an interview that it’s for ‘technical’ ressons, without elaborating further. Would be interested if someone knows the answer😀

CO
COUNT DE MONET
Apr 1, 2019

of the 5204 and also 5370, which need more space for theire inherent, additional complications. Therefore the subdials are not in line with the crown.

CO
COUNT DE MONET
Apr 1, 2019

add other calendar complications to it. This would ask die more space and a different movement layout, I suppose. Patek had the advantage to plan this in theire development phase of theire new chrono movement. Interesting post!

CO
COUNT DE MONET
Apr 1, 2019

MB"s movement is older, more traditional and made out of German Silver or at least to some part. Patek's is a new movement is obviously new, less finished but technically state of the art. However, regarding robustness and longevity I feel MB will do better. Just a feeling.

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