Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 25820ST and 15202 Reliability
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Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 25820ST and 15202 Reliability

By dr.kol · Apr 30, 2015 · 41 replies
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Dr.kol shares a deeply frustrating experience with two new Audemars Piguet Royal Oak watches, a Perpetual Calendar ref. 25820ST and a Royal Oak ref. 15202, both of which repeatedly stopped working shortly after purchase or service. His candid account highlights significant concerns about quality control within Audemars Piguet, particularly regarding the Caliber 2120 movement. This post serves as a critical discussion point for brand accountability and collector expectations.


In the end of last year I bought a fantastic brand new Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Perpetual Calendar ref. 25820ST.





What a nice watch! However, it worked on my wrist only for 12 days and it stopped working on 20th February at 16:40. Sad...

I also bought in January a beautiful Royal Oak ref. 15202 from AP's Singapore Boutique. 





I also bought two pairs of Royal Oak cufflinks. The model totally made of white gold from the Boutique from where I got my watch plus another pair with blue centre from Europe.

I was a very happy man! Till my 15202 stopped working after 20 days on my wrist. On the other hand, it was still 66% more reliable than my 25820 and because 15202 was cheaper, I would say that it was at least 150% better purchase than the perpetual Royal Oak.

But no worries! I had ordered for my 15202 a beautiful custom made oscillating weight already in October 2014 and it had just arrived the Boutique from where I bought the watch. So I took my watch to the Service Centre of Southeast Asia on 20th April 2015 where the Regional Manager of Service, Mr. Ruby, received my visit. He was very "sorry" because of my non-functioning watch...

AP promised to assemble the new oscillating weight and check what is wrong with the watch. A week later, on Monday 27th April at 10:00 I picked up my watch. The rotor was stunning!





Kind Mr. Ruby also told me what was wrong with the watch and after that I continued to a business meeting wearing my lovely 15202.




 

In the beginning of the year I promised in Patek Forum that this year I would wear my four Gerald Genta designs and after wearing these four watches for the entire year, I would give "my verdict" about them: the comfort, readability, reliability, etc.





Now I could continue this journey. My other Royal Oak was functioning again!

When leaving Singapore, I noticed again one fuck-up of the local AP Boutique. But I did not let it spoil my mood because I had a fantastic watch on my wrist. I must admit that also quite often I took the watch off from my wrist and admired the small tanker circulating inside.




Till this morning. I woke up early because the jet-lag is still pressing. The first thing I did was to check the time from my fantastic 15202. It was 04:22.

But what a heck! Sun is shining and the time is 04:22. I just checked yesterday that the sunrise is at 05:20!

MY 15202 HAD STOPPED WORKING AGAIN! This time it worked after the service 4 days 23 hours and 38 minutes. Fantastic Audemars Piguet!

I had to calm down - what can I do. Yes, I can do three things:

1. Write a mail to Audemars Piguet telling wat happened again. Tell them that now I have Scrap Metal of which I paid over € 80,000.
2. Tell about my fantastic Royal Oaks in Watchprosite.
3. Choose to my wrist a well-made reliable watch in order to calm down.

Both of my Patek Nautilus have always functioned without any problems. But because my 3712 has been with me for such a long time, I decided to wear that for the day.











For me there are no reasons to compare Royal Oak with Nautilus anymore. I have in my possession two non-functioning watches  I spent some € 80,000 and watchmaking art called Patek Philippe Nautilus references 3712 and 5711 to witch I spent tens of thousands less.

Conclusion: I AM A PATEK MAN!

Good Labour Day to all Purists!

Best, Kari

About the Audemars Piguet Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 15202 YG Ref. 15202

The Audemars Piguet Royal Oak "Jumbo" ref. 15202 is a significant reference within the Royal Oak collection, known for its close adherence to the original 1972 design. It maintains the distinctive slim profile and integrated bracelet that defined the initial Royal Oak, distinguishing it from other Royal Oak models that introduced different sizes or complications. This reference is particularly valued for its historical continuity and minimalist approach to the Royal Oak aesthetic.

This reference features a 39mm case, typically crafted from yellow gold, with a thickness of 8.1mm. It is fitted with a sapphire crystal and offers a water resistance of 50 meters. Powering the watch is the self-winding Caliber 2121, a movement known for its slimness and a power reserve of approximately 40 hours. The dial is presented in blue, complementing the yellow gold case and bracelet.

For collectors, the 15202 represents a direct link to the Royal Oak's origins, appealing to those who prioritize historical accuracy and understated design. Its production run from 2012 to 2019 makes it a sought-after reference among enthusiasts of the "Jumbo" lineage. The combination of its classic dimensions, integrated bracelet, and the Caliber 2121 solidifies its position as a key reference in the Audemars Piguet catalog.

Specifications

Caliber
Cal.2121
Case
yellow gold
Diameter
39mm
Dial
Blue
Water Resist.
50m
Crystal
Sapphire

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Sandgroper
Apr 30, 2015

Is this bad luck? Not so sure, I have had many problems with my 5402ST as well and it has always been serviced at the same place, where you met Mr Thomas Rubi, who, by the way is a very nice gentleman. Now the watch is functioning perfectly well and I am a happy man. I can understand now why you are a Patek Philippe man, and it is obviously not for lack of trying with AP. Cheers Francois

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dr.kol
Apr 30, 2015

and to his credit I must say that he was not totally comfortable testing my watch just for a week after the repairs. At the same time I heard that the waiting lists for 15202 are long. So I guess the quality control of Audemars Piguet has collapsed. I will post a real story later about the service of Patek vs. Audemars Piguet. It's a story about one minor issue but it clearly tells why Patek is so superior. All the best, Kari

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kolosstt
Apr 30, 2015

Thanks tough for sharing, because only a broad public can motivate AP as any other brand to improve. I followed your sad experiences for a while now in these forums, but this is just the cherry on top. Two watches, hardly worn but reliably fail. Really sounds embarrassing for AP and I wonder how many others are out there with the same or something else, and yet nobody knows about it. Yes, and before it rains down on me: I know that there are also working models out there. From an outsider's pers

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dr.kol
Apr 30, 2015

when the prices are what they are. In my books AP is simply not worth the money we pay for their watches. And the kind of watches I bought should never have hit the shelves of the shop. Best, Kari

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dr.kol
Apr 30, 2015

will be my nice 5402 with box & papers. AP can do a full overall service and then I sell the watch or give as a present to somebody. The perpetual RO I can't afford to sell. When carrying this watch out from the shop, over 50% of the value is vaporising into the air. So it's also in that respect like the Russian Lada car. Reliability is also very similar... Best, Kari

KC
KC74
Apr 30, 2015

must not be such hassle and mental torture to know they are not in good order. Hope all turns out better.

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