FX, looks even better 'clean' ;-) [nt]

Oct 19, 2016,00:22 AM
 

No message body

  login to reply

Comments: view entire thread

 

NEWS: Zenith presents the Heritage Cronometro Tipo CP 2, a hommage to the A. Cairelli

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : October 17th, 2016-11:02
Friends, its time to lift the veil from one of the most successful new watch Zenith has presented this year (and that many, many have been looking forward to): a fantastic re-edition of the landmark chronograph in Zenith's stable: Welcome the Zenith Herit...  

Brilliant!

 
 By: andrewluff : October 17th, 2016-04:11
The Zenith of the year... great report Magnus! Cheers Andrew

Reminds me of the Type XX

 
 By: Mr Glass : October 17th, 2016-04:19
First thought before I zoomed in to see the detailed pictures was of a Breguet Type XX series - and for me this is a real compliment. Very good looking.

No wonder, as these military design come from the military agencies themselves, with the watch manufactures ...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : October 17th, 2016-04:21
be it Breguet, Lemania, Universal Geneve, Dodane an other simply producing according to spec. Similar use case bring about similar designs ;-) Cheers, Magnus

You are right

 
 By: Mr Glass : October 17th, 2016-04:44
I tend to forget that often form follows function, although the original function is long lost on me in some cases. A bit like buying a modern tourbillion purely for better timekeeping. I'd happily wear one without worrying too much whether it does or doe... 

Sure, in modern days the functionality of a mechanical watch is conditional, whereas with those...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : October 17th, 2016-23:44
military pieces it was essential! Best, Magnus

Beautiful lines on the case

 
 By: JToddH : October 17th, 2016-04:40
A worthy tribute. Well executed and destined to become a modern classic! I only wish I could warm up to NATO straps. Love to see this one (actual photo) on the leather strap, or rubber.

Zenith has just sent me some photos of the watch on a leather strap...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : October 17th, 2016-06:11
here you are: Magnus ...  

Good to hear the embargo has been lifted (even if belatedly)

 
 By: Bounce781 : October 17th, 2016-04:40
Definitely THE zenith edition of the last year (if not 3 years). Actually I have not been this excited since the Striking 10th came out a few years back. Bravo Zenith. A perfect (or near perfect) watch and is high on my list! PS please STOP issuing limite... 

Completely agree with you

 
 By: ambel : October 17th, 2016-06:24
Loves this watch but Zenith ruined it for me with all it's stupid LE of the last couple of months (Range Rover, Rolling Stones, Hodinkee). So gfed up with them being a 2nd Hublot that I am really thinking of selling my Zenith Pilot 58mm...

I can understand you, but in my eyes not all LE's are equal...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : October 17th, 2016-23:48
I can understand the Range Rover (I am amazed how well they captured the spirit of that legend car, I really am!), and absolutely the Hodinkee (being a bona fide watch blog). The RS however ... Best, Magnus

Very nice!

 
 By: KMII : October 17th, 2016-05:18
A very convincing military chrono from Zenith - and I suppose it will likely be a very hot item, being limited to 1.000 units and so close to the hard to get original. More like this and there will be good things coming out of the crisis after all Thanks ... 

A no go for me... The word automatic above 6 o clock.

 
 By: amanico : October 17th, 2016-06:46
Another thing is that they could, for such a watch, have opted for a manual winding movement. From a cool watch, they would have made a GREAT watch. But let's forget the automatic movement.... THE detail which seriously kills me is the mention " automatic... 

I can understand but which handwind movement to use?

 
 By: foversta : October 17th, 2016-10:50
An Amputee El Primero? I much prefer to have this automatic movement than a downgraded movement. Fx

It is not a question of will

 
 By: foversta : October 17th, 2016-16:09
It is a question of means. Developing a new handwind chronograph movement costs a lot and Zenith has ourrently other priorities. Fx

'amputee El Primero' - *very* well put, Fx. Indeed such a version...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : October 17th, 2016-23:55
would take away the essence of the El Primero, being the first integrated column wheel automatic chronograph, and besides - its not really that nice to look at. I believe there are three main reasons for not having a manual wind chronograph at this time: ... 

Thanks for your elaborated answer, Magnus. JLC had the same problem with the TT Geophysic.

 
 By: amanico : October 18th, 2016-00:16
Which could have been a great watch, instead of just being a cool watch. Brands ( not only Zenith, but all brands, here ) should consider our point of view.7, or 8 or 9 K euros, this is a sum for us, mere mortals. At this level of price we need something ... 

Absolutely in agreement with you, Nico...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : October 18th, 2016-00:20
and I guess the current market situation will induce the one or the other brand to emphasise 'value'. I would be certainly in for that. Magnus

So close...

 
 By: logan2z : October 17th, 2016-07:22
I've harped on this a few times but Zenith really needed to find a way to further separate the subdials. They're too close together, something that other modern Zenith watches suffer from. The El Primero is simply too small a movement for a 43mm case and ... 

That's a consequence of the older movement...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : October 17th, 2016-07:41
and to address this I think a new movement development is needed. As for the lume colour, please keep in mind that the underground beneath the lume affects its appearance. However, I think I recall that lume is applied such that it shows consistent colour... 

Lume

 
 By: logan2z : October 17th, 2016-08:26
I suspect that most people (myself included) view their watch in ambient light about 90% of the time. I wouldn't expect there to be a significant visible difference between the color of the hands and numerals under those conditions. It did give the dial a... 

A pic in a darker context

 
 By: foversta : October 17th, 2016-10:47
Fx ...  

For me, no, they are not [nt]

 
 By: foversta : October 17th, 2016-11:06

Thanks for confirmining! [nt]

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : October 17th, 2016-23:56

Ask three people and get five opinions

 
 By: MTF : October 17th, 2016-09:01
Magnus, Thanks for the report (finally). As you had the original watch photos since Baselworld, it is the definitive real time report albeit "under embargo" until now. As a chronograph collector, generally, I like the new Zenith watch and the new features...  

We are a bunch of nerds, difficult to please ;-)

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : October 17th, 2016-23:59
You captured the implications of a modern mechanical wristwatch nicely: - modern technology to an old and somewhat obsolety item - utility vs. emotion - re-editions, hommages, references... Thanks, Magnus

Here are additional pics taken a few weeks ago.

 
 By: foversta : October 17th, 2016-10:43
I really like this watch, it is a great achievement from Zenith for me. We can regret some details but if we consider the watch on an overall basis, it has a lot of charm and this reedition works very well. Thanks a lot Magnus for the in-depth presentatio...  

My only, very small gripe might be asking for a curved end strap

 
 By: cazalea : October 17th, 2016-13:11
I've been wearing this strap on one of my watches for a long time and it seems not that difficult, especially for the manufacture to match the strap end to the case diameter a bit more closely. But it's a small (and readily resolved) gripe. ...  

Mmmh, not so sure...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : October 19th, 2016-00:21
as this would take away much of the vintage charme of the watch, in my opinion. I see the allure but then... Cheers, Magnus

A very faithful representage of the original Zenith Cairelli - Tipo CP-2.

 
 By: Bill : October 17th, 2016-11:36
This watch is surely going to please both novice and collectors. Great review of New Zenith Cronometro Tipo CP 2. Thank you. Bill

Very welcome, Bill! [nt]

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : October 18th, 2016-00:00

Wow! Great looking watch!

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : October 17th, 2016-14:27
Very faithful to the original! Love it! Thank you for this report, Magnus! Best Blomman

You'll probably see it soon ;-) [nt]

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : October 18th, 2016-00:01

Looking forward to that! :) [nt]

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : October 18th, 2016-01:34

Finally a great re-edition without a date window!

 
 By: nowhere man : October 17th, 2016-18:01
Bravo to Zenith for not "improving" a classic. It's also nice to see that it hasn't been super-sized. I believe I'll buy one.

Here we totally agree! [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 18th, 2016-00:19

A gorgeous piece for sure!

 
 By: Makilla : October 22nd, 2016-13:28
But not so sure about collectibility. That "automatic" at 6 o'clock is killing the vintage charm of the watch IMHO. Why not a simple CP2 instead? Being automatic is easier to wear on a daily basis and not worry about winding it every other day. Thanks for... 

Thx, Magnus for this "News"-Report !.. Am quite attracted by this re-edition, but ..

 
 By: hs111 : October 23rd, 2016-04:12
.. + 1 on Nico, feeling the wording "Automatic" superfluous & disturbing for me. - The Auto itself I treat more of a possible advantage; - luckily there is no date.. You mentioned price "below" 10k, and I do know we don\'t discuss prices here, but : - mor... 

A few answers...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : October 23rd, 2016-12:58
The price will be somewhere in the middle. I agree on the \'automatic\', but here I would ask for your patience... ;-) Likewise with a few other details!