I'm feeling ambivalent about my remarks too ;)

Apr 19, 2007,07:48 AM
 

In all seriousness, I really do like the RM011 as a watch.  In fact, I would love to have one and may end up buying one.  I just do not particularly like the direction as a brand.  Almost every brand for the last two years has focused on some sort of technical advance:  silicium parts, new escapements, new power storage and delivery systems, etc.

Last year Richard Mille came out with:

005 Felipe Massa - a different dial and case finish of an existing watch
014 Perini Navi - basically a reworking of the 002 movement in a jazzed up case
010 - bigger case, more skeletonized version of 005 movement

This year:

011 - 005 movement with chrono module
016 - new case for 005/010 movement

That's 2 years without a major technical breakthrough or even a new movement.  The last one they made was the 009 but they have not stayed true to the 006 legacy of carrying technology down from their LE "test" models.  The 006 gave us the carbon baseplates.  The 009 technology has not been used in anything.

They're making A LOT of 005's and 010's, so much so that the 5's are very difficult to sell already on the secondary market.  I understand what they're doing, and it is probably a better business move, but it is not what I thought the brand was or wish it would be.
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With special thanks to Jerome 'Dje' Berder, some photos of Richard Mille's offerings

 
 By: 219 : April 18th, 2007-10:22
at the Geneva show. At the last minute, I could not make the trip (how sad is that?) and so Jerome kindly offered to meet with Richard Mille and see the collection and take pictures for us here. Please leave a special note of thanks for Jerome (he was cov...  

WOW

 
 By: Chris Agostino : April 18th, 2007-11:33

the 11 looks great

 
 By: SteveH : April 18th, 2007-11:39
However, I feel that RM is toeing the line between what they should be, a high tech brand, and what I hoped they would not be, a high fashion brand. While the watch itself is pretty cool looking, I am losing respect for the brand. I hope they will alter c... 

high fashion brand

 
 By: Jose Mourinho : April 18th, 2007-14:34
steve please let me know what you see in this watch that makes you go from high tech to the term high fashion brand. do all of his watches have to have a tourbillon and cost $200,000?

well...

 
 By: SteveH : April 18th, 2007-21:36
the 5/10 isn't overly technically impressive to me in the first place. Don't get me wrong, I owned one and think it's a fairly cool watch, but there's nothing amazingly progressive about it. For the 11, they stuck a chrono module on it and did a great des... 

I'm feeling very ambivalent about your remarks, Steve...

 
 By: Jos. : April 19th, 2007-02:56
... on the one hand, I completely agree. RM should be about carbon fibre base plates, new case materials, exciting new designs, clever complications. Where's our 8-day Richard Mille, flyback rattrapante, double split? (All done before but I mean all in on... 

I'm feeling ambivalent about my remarks too ;)

 
 By: SteveH : April 19th, 2007-07:48
In all seriousness, I really do like the RM011 as a watch. In fact, I would love to have one and may end up buying one. I just do not particularly like the direction as a brand. Almost every brand for the last two years has focused on some sort of technic... 

what about RM 12

 
 By: Jose Mourinho : April 19th, 2007-11:08
steve thanks for your response where do you put the RM 12? also i must tell you that and sure you know that there are numerous brands that are tough on the secondary market .

As far as I know, the RM012 is still just a CAD drawing

 
 By: SteveH : April 19th, 2007-11:17
did I miss something? Of course other brands are rough on the secondary market, but they are not billing themselves as the high technology, extremely exclusive brand that RM is. For what Richard Mille should be, the market should never be flooded with one... 

btw, for those who dont know, I'm not just a hater

 
 By: SteveH : April 19th, 2007-11:20
I had an RM002v2, an RM005FM and an RM004v2 on order. I have lots of experience with the watches and put my own hard dollars up in support of the brand. They make a FANTASTIC product. I just don't like the direction they've gone in.

one thing i do know

 
 By: Jose Mourinho : April 19th, 2007-12:06

you did miss something

 
 By: ei8htohms : April 21st, 2007-14:53
[sorry - links to outside website is not permitted as part of forum policy. thanks for understanding. Andrew H] Edited by Andrew H to remove link. This message has been edited by 219 on 2007-04-21 20:00:54

wow wow wow

 
 By: Jose Mourinho : April 21st, 2007-16:55

Some thoughts on Richard Mille - the brand....

 
 By: 219 : April 24th, 2007-10:02
Give the guy a break! In just 6 years he has gone from developing one ground breaking watch: the RM001 to a well known brand in industrial style watches (and astronomical clocks). Along the way, he has re-defined what might be thought of as a luxury mater... 

very true

 
 By: Jose Mourinho : April 24th, 2007-12:27

anone

 
 By: Nick664 : April 18th, 2007-13:57

Could have been...

 
 By: alunare : April 19th, 2007-05:56

Nice pics Jerome, thanks.

 
 By: DaMctosh : April 19th, 2007-08:19
That RM16 looks good on you! . Looking forward to your MJLC reports.

My pleasure...

 
 By: Dje : April 22nd, 2007-02:53

How Much ya?

 
 By: BHK9 : May 1st, 2007-08:07