SIHH 2017: Panerai PAM 687. Some pictures and thoughts.

Feb 01, 2017,03:17 AM
 



Let's be clear, I don't " buy " the official explanation behind the watch, the fact that it has been introduced by the Italian Navy as a product which might be of interest for them. 

I don't have a verified explanation, but I always believed that the first Panerai introduced to the Italian Navy was the Ref 2533.A Rolex case and movement with a special dial. 

2533: 


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Picture and document which I will credit on request. I found them on the net many years ago, and I can't remember where and from who... 

So, I don't see how the 3646 " Brevettato " could be the first one. 

Moreover, the Brevettato bezel seems to be the surrounding part of the case back. Put on the dial side. 

I don't even know if the 3646 Brevettato even existed. I don't have any factual information to confirm or to infirm that. 

Here is a picture probably taken by John Goldberger of a 3646 Brevettato. 

The 3646 Brevettato. 


Credit picture: John Goldberger? 

As you will soon see, the 3646 Brevettato pictured above has been of an obvious inspiration for the all new and freshly unveiled PAM 687.

Especially the dial and hands whose patina has been greatly reproduced. 

So, historical background, or not, the PAM 687 has many great points: 

- First of all, the Radiomir case, which is an example of class and elegance, despite its generous size ( 47 mm ). 

47 mm is big, but it is in the essence of a Panerai watch, AND those who tried a 47 mm Radiomir can witness the fact that it doesn't wear like a watch of this dimension. For one reason: The absence of lugs. And the relatively thin case. 

- The pear shaped crown. Another distinctive element of... Distinction. 

- The dial: Its color, of course, its sandwich construction, too. And these gilt hands, which compliment the dial very well. 

I for one quite like the faux patina of the indices and hands. I know it is a controversial point, but green indices and hands would have spoiled the charm of the dial, in my opinion. 

The black dialed sister, ref PAM 685 is beautiful, also, but I think the 687 is a step above, in terms of charm. 

PAM 685 and 687: 


- The last point is the movement, the manual winding Cal P 3000, beating at the pace of 21600 vibrations per hour, and offering a power reserve of 3 Days. I find it quite appealing to see. Protecting the movement, the see through case back is made in sapphire. While the glass on the dial side is in plexy. A spare plexy is delivered in the box, to be complete. 


A flaw on that watch? The fact that it is water resistant to only 30 meters ( same for the PAM 249 California if I remember well ) is ridiculous for such a watch. 

The fact that it is limited to 1000 pieces is not a good thing. Or you decide to limit its production to much less, let's say 100 pieces, or you don't limit it. 1000 pieces doesn't make sense. 

Despite these two " negative " points, you understood it, I am totally under the charm. Because of the case, the movement, but most of all because of this dial which makes me fall for the whole watch. A dial I would have liked to see in the PAM 662. 

Here are my pictures I could take at the Panerai Booth during the SIHH. 




To end, I will say that I am in big trouble, now: The PAM 587 ( Marina Militare ), the PAM 662, the PAM 372 were my objects of desire. 

Now, I have to add this 687. 

And if the best solution was to have one of each case? PAM 687 for the Radiomir " 3646 ", PAM 587 or 662 for the Radiomir " 1940 " and PAM 372 for the 6152? 

The PAM 687 is one of the few good surprises from the 2017 novelties, definitely. 

What is your opinion on that one? 

Looking forward to reading your comments and thoughts,

Best.

Nicolas
 


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Hello Nicolas! Superb review, your thoughts and points of views to which I completely agree...

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 1st, 2017-04:48
... I must tell you that I was waiting for your review of this watch to know your opinion. I fell in love with this watch the very same day I view the first photographs some weeks before SIHH. I don´t mind if the "original" ever existed, or how much this ... 

I knew it would be a watch for you, Amigo Abel.

 
 By: amanico : February 1st, 2017-05:15
I have to take an appointment with the Paris Boutique to see the 662 and this one side by side. I will keep you updated. As for the fact that it may or may not have existed, I agree with you. It is looking damn nice! Un abrazo. Nicolas

Thanks a lot my dear Nicolas!! I guess the 662 is a different...

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 1st, 2017-06:30
... watch, with a fantastic dial color and its only drawback is not having a sandwich dial. In this department the 662 loses against this new model 687. Anyway, I love my 662 and its 1940 case sans crown guard. Best option is... as always... to go for Bot... 

Great read!

 
 By: joeyza : February 1st, 2017-07:13
Thanks for putting this together along with the history lesson. Very much enjoyed reading about the comparison of today's iteration vs the historical model. Cheers, Joe

True that's a great watch.

 
 By: aris d : February 1st, 2017-07:45
Something unexpected given the dial color and the bezel. Many of us are now dreaming. Aris PS For your case, If you chose the 372, then the 587 is the better option (given the MM on dial and vintage hands). BUT you can chose the 673 for the 6152 (so you h... 

Have you considered 690 instead of 662?

 
 By: aris d : February 1st, 2017-09:18
The trio 673/690/687 would have been a killer. In such a case, you'll have many important elements of Panerai world. Aris

Well, several things to consider...

 
 By: MichaelC : February 1st, 2017-08:16
I had just clicked on your Longines 7150 post before this one. Side by side, would you really choose the PAM? The Longines seems much more authentic to my eyes. The colors are a little different of course, but you have the better vintage look already. PAM... 

That's the old school guy's way of thinking. You know the brand, and very well.

 
 By: amanico : February 1st, 2017-08:29
No doubt that someday there will be something out... In this vein. Thank you, Michael. All the best, my friend. Nicolas

Thank you Nicolas. I bought my first Panerai in 2001

 
 By: MichaelC : February 1st, 2017-08:40
So definitely, this is a brand I enjoy and have watched evolve for some time now. I do not fault any company for making money... that is why they are likely in business in the first place. But the direction definitely changed some years ago, and patience ... 

Fro the same reason, I am prudent when it comes to Panerai, but I have to say that for some years, now...

 
 By: amanico : February 1st, 2017-09:10
They are releasing one or two watches per year which make my heart beat stronger and faster. As for your kind comment on my pictures, thank you, my dear friend. Best, Nicolas

Easy choice !!!

 
 By: Angelitojn : February 1st, 2017-09:00
For a Panerai's collector of the last two decades, the 662 and the 687 must be on the top of his desirable models. And I say 662 no 663, i would replace it in my PAMBox by 673. And the 687 no 685 because first option is for "crazy" PAMLovers (or Paneristi... 

Of the two last decades? I would mention a 202/A, 201/A and 304 among the most desirable.

 
 By: amanico : February 1st, 2017-09:09
Then PAM 36, PAM 40, PAM 192, 217, and... 372, 587, 662 and this last one... The Mare PAM 300 as well. But... Unwearable. Same for the Egiziano. The 687 is clearly a watch which will focus the attention and or interest of Paneristis. Thanks for your feedb... 

Ok ok totally agree. Vena andaluza !!!

 
 By: Angelitojn : February 1st, 2017-10:03
This year Panerai showed last January the best new collection in Richemont Era. Historic models: PAM 687 (Brown Srcewed), PAM 720 (3646 type C ) and 721 (Anonymus Dial, 3646 Type D ), PAM 716 NewOld MN) and neo-classic PAM671 (BLONZO) Modern Collection: P... 

No...Pre-A? Not even the 009 or 002?

 
 By: sergio : February 1st, 2017-19:32
...  

You wrote...pam 36-40- 217 etc...

 
 By: sergio : February 2nd, 2017-05:52
as desirable..after the 202A/201A and 304..over the "two last decades". The Pre-As, were produced in those 2 decades too

No question, about the significance of the Pre-V period in the...

 
 By: sergio : February 2nd, 2017-08:31
history of Panerai. Infact, I believe that without the Pre-V production, the production of Panerai timepieces would have gone into oblivion and there would have not been a...Vendome era

The exsistence of the rare 3646 Brevettato is...

 
 By: sergio : February 1st, 2017-09:17
acknowledged also by Loris and Luciano in their Panerai-Una Storia Italiana books. There's no mention of how many were made but no doubt they..were..made

The first 3646 Brevettato...

 
 By: sergio : February 2nd, 2017-05:25
was PRODUCED by Panerai in 1943. After that it has gone trough some...tweaking...over subseqeunt years Still, there's no record of the number of pieces produced.

when it was announced in November 2016

 
 By: ocwatching : February 1st, 2017-10:08
I put my name down for one...its pretty unique and doubt it will be released again by Panerai (but not holding breath) your live photos are less brown than the other on the internet I have seen.. love it that its a sandwich dial...versus the 662...I still... 

Great report Nicolas!

 
 By: Makilla : February 1st, 2017-12:23
i used to be a huge Panerai fan with well over 35-40 pieces In my collection but that number decreased dramatically throughout the years because they kept on producing more of the same and always promising us collectors that it's a one shot edition. No mo... 

Excellent points, Laurent. There are two things which are not necessarily linked. Nice and collectible.

 
 By: amanico : February 1st, 2017-12:32
Since 2005 and the OOR, I don't believe any Panerai watch is collectible anymore. Now, some are very nice, still. The PAM 372, the 662, the 587, this one, the 687. And a few others. I think we should consider them for what they are, nice ( or not, dependi... 

Pleasure is all mine Nicolas :)

 
 By: Makilla : February 1st, 2017-13:52
Yeah I agree. If the point is just to have them for what they look like then you should be ok Cheers to that my friend

Couldn't agree more! [nt]

 
 By: Makilla : February 1st, 2017-14:08

I agree with you only...50%

 
 By: sergio : February 1st, 2017-18:21
the remaining 50%, in my opinions, boils down to: collecting vs speculating. How can one have the..expectation..that an object you buy today, goes through the roof, both in desirability and value, in the space of a couple of years??? VanGogh died dirt poo... 

Absolutely agree Sergio! Well put!! I feel true collectors are ...

 
 By: Subexplorer : February 2nd, 2017-12:31
... a romantic breed and a minority nowadays. I had never thought about "a good business" when buying my watches. I have done it by heart and passion, and I wish I will be able to continue enjoying this activity of collecting and wearing watches in that w... 

Let's go together! [nt]

 
 By: amanico : February 2nd, 2017-14:26

Sure would love to [nt]

 
 By: Mohannad (aka Riddler) : February 2nd, 2017-21:53

30M Water Resistance? I'm out.

 
 By: patrick_y : February 2nd, 2017-04:32
1000 pieces? Not exclusive enough. Dial may be too faux patina, overdone. I'd go for the 685's black dial. But the 30M water resistance was really an eye opener. And this fact torpedoed my thoughts of owning this watch. Thank you for pointing this out! No... 

If, for the FIRENZE/2015, you refer to the 604....

 
 By: sergio : February 2nd, 2017-05:37
I've seen it for sale on the web. If you can't get hold of one of them, have a look at the 672 FIRENZE, which you can find in the Panerai official website, in the Special Boutique's Edition of the San Giovanni Boutique.

:))) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : February 2nd, 2017-09:18

I've lived in Singapore, for some 20 years.

 
 By: sergio : February 2nd, 2017-12:18
aircon+swimming pool are more important than house/apartment. Since I bought it, my 249 and I, never..ever....EVER had a problem, nor any other Panerai I've used on the pool ...  

That's reassuring! [nt]

 
 By: patrick_y : February 4th, 2017-10:21

;) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : February 4th, 2017-11:12

Gr8 points Nico...

 
 By: mahesh : February 2nd, 2017-13:09
Thanks for sharing. Except for the radiomir case and the crown rest isn\'t my liking... I surely hate the fact that a 30m water resistance is futile for a brand like Panerai ! Best, mahesh.,

Great post!

 
 By: pessoa00 : February 3rd, 2017-08:10
I have this one ordered since 1st rumours came out and can't wait to see it live! My only concern is that the dial might be too orange. How did you feel after seeing it live, compared to oficial pictures? Thank you very much António

Thanks!! This is my favourite release this year

 
 By: pessoa00 : February 3rd, 2017-09:00
I've been away from the brand for the past few years. The last Panerai I bought was the 587 in the end of 2014 and haven't been excited by any release ever since. This year, if funds allowed I would get at least 4 new Pams. Although I think it was one of ...