I'm not sure who was pioneering ...

Mar 04, 2007,05:17 AM
 

Hi  Art,
I've to admit I'm not sure who was the pioneer in that regard, but something like the (1992?)  IWC Destriero comes to mind with the flying tourbillon also supported in a ball bearing - from an engineering standpoint it's a somehow logical choice. Speaking of IWC it's also no surprise to see Richard Habrings own toubillons also often equipped with ball bearings. 

There may be many others (honestly I'm not sure how many in fact...) perhaps someone else knows what's with Blancpains (Clabrese) torubillon for example, I'd not be surprised if that would be the case as well - I''d never the chance to closely inspect one. 

As you may see from the pictures of Christian's No. 7 also the thrid wheel (that's the one driving the tourbillon) is "flying" and supported by a ball bearing. 
IIRC, with No.  7 it's a ruby ball bearing for the tourbillon cage.

Best
Suitbert

 

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The german "cabinotier".......

 
 By: SuitbertW : March 2nd, 2007-15:28
Hi all, I'm sure almost all of you've heard of the cabinotiers of old Geneva, those watchmakers working in the small workshops, often located in the garrets of Geneva's town houses. It was the place with the best availlable daylight, the most time of a da...  

Beautiful watches!

 
 By: Allen : March 2nd, 2007-15:59
I particularly like the No. 7 Tourbillon. Do you have a more frontal shot of it? Thanks for showing us the environment that these beauties were born in as well.

Hi, Allen,....

 
 By: SuitbertW : March 2nd, 2007-16:14
...here're two more, but no frontal dial shot - I'll upload one later. Due to the flying third wheel design, there's an amazing transparency for the tourbillon area. As you may see both, the flying tourbillon and the third wheel are supported by ball bear...  

Thanks Suitbert!

 
 By: Allen : March 3rd, 2007-08:32
what an amazing tourbillon cage!

Here's a more frontal dial shot..

 
 By: SuitbertW : March 4th, 2007-15:58
Hi Allen, but, they're not that good and I've to go through the pic files again, if there's some better, more doing justice to the work. As you say - the tourbillon cage is particulary beautifull ! Best regards Suitbert...  

Wow.

 
 By: Allen : March 4th, 2007-22:05

Just out of curiousity, Suitbert, is this the only . . .

 
 By: Dr No : March 3rd, 2007-10:33
. . . tourbillon that rotates on ball bearings, or are there others? Cordially, Art

I'm a great admirer of his work, thanks for the update!

 
 By: ei8htohms : March 2nd, 2007-17:46
Hi Suitbert, My understanding is that Mr. Klings was living and working in California about the time I got interested in watchmaking, but unfortunately he had already moved before I had ever heard of him, otherwise I would've loved to have visited his wor... 

yes..I read about Klings california past, in a magazine some years ago.

 
 By: bernard cheong : March 2nd, 2007-22:17
I think we had some discussion about him way back in 2004.

My pleasure,Steve! -nt-

 
 By: SuitbertW : March 4th, 2007-16:15

Marvellous pics !

 
 By: Doc : March 2nd, 2007-22:40
Thanks Suitbert, for these fantastic pics, of a real classic looking movement ! The finish seems incredible! BTW, in this country, the best tasting ice cream is,..... Klings :-) Cheers Doc

LoL - Doc, I've to tell Christian about that swedish ice cream.....

 
 By: SuitbertW : March 4th, 2007-16:17
And thanks a lot for your kind words! Best Suitbert

Klings !

 
 By: Doc : March 5th, 2007-22:39
...  

What a great example of real watchmaking!

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : March 3rd, 2007-03:13
It clearly shows his talent and savoir faire, and also makes the manual process and execution visible. For me, this is much more desirable than a 100% perfectly finished end-product, which may look a bit sterile. I shall not forget to say that his technic... 

Oh my god. . .

 
 By: Jack Forster : March 3rd, 2007-07:23
. . .Suitbert. Tourbillon no. 5. Ohhh, my goodness Love to hear more about that one. . . pleeeeeeeease??? Jack

I'm with you for number 5 Jack

 
 By: Dje : March 3rd, 2007-13:41
Thanks a lot Suitbert. Amazing work, fascinating to teh extrreme. I'd love to knpw more about his "no-tourbiilon" watches!! Cheers Dje

Gotta hear more about it. Haven't been so excited since. . .

 
 By: Jack Forster : March 3rd, 2007-16:50
. . .I first became familiar with Kari Voutilainen's work. This is HOT stuff Jack

Hi Jack, Jerome....

 
 By: SuitbertW : March 4th, 2007-16:49
.... No. 5 is a most fascinating piece, your pick isn't surprising to me It's a long story and perhaps much better to go into Christian Klings desmodromic escapement first as it's part of this very special piece as well. And, I should also point out that ...  

OK, thanks Suitbert, what the heck. . .

 
 By: Jack Forster : March 5th, 2007-07:45
. . . are those really two pallet forks. . . ?!? Jack

The small ratchet wheel close to the tourbillon center...

 
 By: SuitbertW : March 5th, 2007-16:03
Hi Jack, that's a constant force mechanism! During his countless hours trying to get it working, i.e. to achieve a little better rate stability, he realized that this escapement was very sensitive to this problem and he decided to add a constant force. Yo... 

OK, so let me get this straight. . .

 
 By: Jack Forster : March 5th, 2007-17:02
. . .constant force escapement (!) impulsed through the hairspring, not directly to an impulse jewel on the balance? That's just wild. That it was done in a 7.5 second tourbillon just adds to the tastiness, even if it IS tempermental. I'd just love to hea... 

You're absolutely right, Jack....

 
 By: SuitbertW : March 6th, 2007-14:52
...only a "horologically obsessed" one would have started to build something like this I asked Christian for some drawings and he told me he might have some....let's see ;-) I'll put together some more about the desmodromic escapement the next days . Best... 

Thank you Suitbert. . .

 
 By: Jack Forster : March 7th, 2007-12:15

Thanks Suitbert. Mr Klings' work is beautiful

 
 By: SJX : March 3rd, 2007-07:26
Somewhat reminiscent of Urban Jurgensen yet subtly different. His movement work is quietly stunning, I like the careful finish that doesn't focus too much on unnecessary decoration. Kudos to Mr Klings. - SJX

Glad you like it, SJX,...

 
 By: SuitbertW : March 4th, 2007-16:08
...  

My pleasure, Ronald,.....

 
 By: SuitbertW : March 3rd, 2007-18:40

Yowza! Now that´s really something different!

 
 By: PeterCDE : March 3rd, 2007-20:42
Independent watchmaking, as much as it can be! Thanks a lot, that´s truly eye opening! Can´t wait to see and hear more! Cheers, Peter

My pleasure, Peter....

 
 By: SuitbertW : March 6th, 2007-14:56

Large WOW Factor

 
 By: Douglas : March 4th, 2007-05:09
Please do share more pictures and your insightful comments on these pieces. Great new surprise this morning, and I am very fond of the traditional design.

Thanks, Douglas,....

 
 By: SuitbertW : March 6th, 2007-14:58

Suitbert, thank you for a most enjoyable post. No 5 is a beauty, can't wait

 
 By: MarkS : March 4th, 2007-15:42
to read/see more about Mr Klings work.

For us "slower" people >>

 
 By: MTF : March 4th, 2007-19:44
In the Nr 5 Piece, do I assume that a 7.5s tourbillon does just that? Circulate in 7.5s. What tourbillon cages? I "see" no cages - only air; like faerie dancesteps on dandelion seeds Regards, MTF

Absolutely fascinating ...

 
 By: Chris Meisenzahl : March 7th, 2007-05:32
true genius.

Another tourbillon by Klings

 
 By: otho : March 7th, 2007-13:30
Great report ! Many thanks! BTW, another tourbillon (No. 6) by Klings: click here photo by "Armband Uhren", 2005 Best regards....  

... and another (photo)...

 
 By: otho : March 7th, 2007-13:40
... for Lottermann & Soehne (2003 / 4): click here Cheers, otho...  

Lottermann & Soehne by C. Klings in close-up

 
 By: otho : March 7th, 2007-23:15
very nice, semiclassical regulateur tourbillon...  

Thanks, Otho, for the additional input...

 
 By: SuitbertW : March 8th, 2007-15:08
... unfortunately I don't have pictures of No.6 - :-( If I'm not mistaken this is the only tourbillon made by Christian for Lottermann&Söhne - very interesting design. While it does look like a flying tourbillon, it's in fact supported on both ends. On th... 

Dear SuitbertW,

 
 By: otho : March 9th, 2007-05:26
truly thanks for your equally important & interesting details ! Additional en face view of Klings's tourbillon for Lottermann: , ... and very exciting table clock in glass case with one-minute flying tourbillon escapement made by C. Klings (also signed by...  

BTW,

 
 By: otho : March 10th, 2007-05:29