Greubel Forsey Vision 30 Forever Watch 1

Apr 29, 2015,02:05 AM
 


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I am head over heels about the Harry Winston's Tourbillon G number 2.

I am also crazy about getting a Jacob & Co tourbillon from this year's Basel.

Here is where I have to practice what I told forum fols back here and on 2 oher purist's forums..AHCI and the HWRT Opus projects...can one enjoy and yet recover the costs?

Not always. That does not mean no.

This applies to the lesser known but worthy pieces.

I played a dangerous, and misunderstood game.

Buying offset from mainstream.

Making it hard to sell, but when things move, they move big.

I missed ALL of the Greubel Forseys first time, except for one.

I was drawn out, cash down.

Disciplined, I bought only with 10% of my income, and never with salary or fees from work, rather, I traded in collectables, not waches.

This hampers me, but it honed my skill to buy Richard Mille, Freaks, Franck Muller, Opus , MB&F, Urwerk and Vianney.

I bought these way back into boondock era, before the cellphones were sold, before laptops and cars cost $18,000 sgd for a Mercedes 190E. 1984 onwards to 1995 plus.

The internet came, stayed, grew.

I never sold anything till my Panerai lesson...no one bought any Panerais when it was first launched.

It's true, I do sell my watches, less than 12 actually, bec I needed to keep my budget to below a 2 million mark, that was what was placed into the hobby from 1973 to 2011.

Not a cent more.

So..it hurt to sell.

It didn't hurt buying a few used, bec I hadn't talked much about them, and no one else did much too, heaven is kind to me.

So biting back tears, I sold 12 watches, got my Greubels.

Now, recovering from my last Greubel. I am back to chasing down my old personal watches.

Did I make money? Yes.

Do I think it can be repeated? No.

Now, I am buying my "Forever Watches"...these I will own, pass on, and my kids can enjoy or sell, so the new me begins with a mix of used and new pieces.

The market, after 30 years, with rapid AHCI and other independents, have enough used and new to balance a good economy. I hope.

These are wrist shots taken today...mostly.

I chose the Greubel Forsey because of Opus 6, my last of the Opus I worked with on the web, they are really a mix of the best machine and hand work, the best of technical old charm mixed with 10% computer genius, maybe less.

Drawback...costs.

They are similar to the British grandmasters, and the Lange's best work.


Careful examination of the edges, joints and the techniques employed in the joining, metals used, and surface and jewels used for all.

Note the black polish and all that is done to protect a watch from scratches! Designing.

I like, love, the old world thick..not thick, but just thin enough to keep the double tourb.
















This message has been edited by bernard cheong on 2015-04-29 02:12:13


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I love the color and the dynamics. Since I am not affected much by brands...

 
 By: bernard cheong : April 30th, 2015-08:27
I wish I had more cash. I had no cash for this fella...but I will want to own it one day. ...  

Thanks so much.

 
 By: bernard cheong : April 30th, 2015-08:33
I am also apologizing if naming prices or money had spoiled anyone's day. I just wanted people to know that I do not have tons of cash, but I am as close to any guy on the streets of any city which is not at war. ...  

Thanks...and memories of mine with early 2006

 
 By: bernard cheong : April 30th, 2015-08:47
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Nice pictures Bernard...

 
 By: andrewluff : April 29th, 2015-11:04
but always referencing to money is tiresome and not required. If you are looking for everyone to tell you how well you have done and how much money you have made then its a shame you need to post this for your self promotion and to further boost your ego.... 

My bad. I apologise. The prices were always prime to me, because I was low on funds.

 
 By: bernard cheong : April 29th, 2015-18:48
This is what I am wearing now, and will report on how it has been for 8 yrs. I wear this once a week. One of the favorite divers of mine, white...even before RM did his. Not costly. Most people feel it is too girly for me...but I like its Seikorai Submers...  

I enjoy Bernard's candour.

 
 By: Richard C : April 29th, 2015-20:38
Clearly anyone who posts personal watch collections worth in excess of $500K (or frankly any single piece worth over $50K) is way ahead of the curve so I really don't see the point in false modesty, particularly as his mentions of finance were, I believe,... 

Thanks for this balance. I mean none of the money thing. Quite the opposite.

 
 By: bernard cheong : April 30th, 2015-08:25
For all who have even met me, I doubt if more than 5 people would see me as insecure and even mildly boastful, or attention seeking. I must be coming across as a totally insecure, boastful, name dropping person with a dishonest passive aggressive approach...  

Which is why...

 
 By: pplater : May 1st, 2015-20:07
...it is so good that today's Bernard has his own web blog, where those who do enjoy what you describe as a lack of false modesty can read it to their fill. Everyone's a winner if it stays there. We find ourselves (again) in a thread which demonstrates th... 

All I can say is...

 
 By: fernando : April 30th, 2015-01:12
this is a bloody nice watch!!! Thanks for sharing it here. :) cheers fernando

You might want to channelize your energy into speaking beyond money

 
 By: chintu : April 30th, 2015-03:48
Dear Bernard I appreciate that except for those that are "born into money"; every one that buys a watch beyond a nominal price point, has to save up; except that the effort, time and the quantum differs. Fundamentally I do not see anything wrong in speaki... 

Good advice. I am honored, and I will share this picture

 
 By: bernard cheong : April 30th, 2015-09:04
of the first time I saw what a Greubel Forsey was. It was 2006, and well...till today, it is the singular, most solid, as if carved out of one block, the Vision 30...which is 100x more incredible. Winding it, reveals the detail of tactile thought and plan...  

normally valuation is not discussed here. perhaps it is a gray...

 
 By: Ronald Held : April 30th, 2015-04:39
Area to speak about the difficulty in acquiring a watch?

Pricings which for rare work are too often hidden from people

 
 By: bernard cheong : April 30th, 2015-09:12
I can understand why, but I try to reveal what I uncover, especially since I wish to buy a few on the used market. Truth...these 2 watches are so good, that they deliver beauty to lives in ways beyond just being watches....I would try to buy another 2 mor...  

Another nice write up and tips.

 
 By: iceheller 1945 ✌️ : May 11th, 2015-00:45
Got to say this another nice write up, watch photos sharing and watch collection tips. The net is gigantic and we can never get everyone to share the same view or let alone same belief. Important is to be yourself. Tks you sir and aways looking forward to... 

The one unique piece of Greubel Forsey, cased in platinum. Stealth or whatever.

 
 By: bernard cheong : May 11th, 2015-03:03
The Greubel Forsey 25 Incline which is out of production. This is the only one of its type in platinum, but with a wg look. It has the rounded tourb bridges. ...  

TV show.

 
 By: iceheller 1945 ✌️ : May 16th, 2015-00:27
Just saw on CNA that they will be featuring an interview with you about watch investment tonite at 10.30pm , under "money mind" TV program. Looking forward to it and hopefully can catch the sighting of this GF monster.

They were kind to me

 
 By: bernard cheong : May 17th, 2015-00:00
I came across as mildly eccentric. I was happy that the 3 hours of footage was edited well... so maybe more will appear. Shot on location at my home. This watch, the IP1 was seen most. More than any. ...  

LOL

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : May 16th, 2015-03:39
"I just wanted people to know that I do not have tons of cash, but I am as close to any guy on the streets of any city which is not at war". Are you for real?

hahahaha

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : May 16th, 2015-03:57
but seriously: this guy keeps amazing me every time I read something he wrote but this time I was truly perplexed. One word comes to mind: disconnected.

It all depend...

 
 By: iceheller 1945 ✌️ : May 17th, 2015-05:46
Disconnected or not is dependent on the environment. In a forum such as this where tons of ppl share their amazing luxurious watches or even exotic super cars what is disconnected? You can alway choose not to read ppl post if you find them disconnected, h...