No comment on Opus 8

Jul 27, 2008,19:10 PM
 

Dear Jack,

Appreciate your points.

My comments were NOT directed at the Opus 8 because that is already old news and as you said  -  commentary on subjective "liking" of a "design" is a futile exercise.

My commentary was about Bernard going against his advisors and reconsidering the piece for "completeness of his collection".  That may actually be a valid reason to acquire something that has been summarily lambasted by industry chiefs in private, and other people in public.  I am assuming that when Bernard asked 9 people to opine, they were not your average Joe smile

I am assuming that they were 'interested parties' with decades of exposure to horology  -  designers, watchmakers, marketeers, collectors, design art critics, brand executives  -  people whose opinions that he respected over the years and that have served him well in the shaping of his collection so far.  In that situation, the weighting of those opinions is much heavier than that from 9 random people plucked from a poll list. Conventional tenets of statistics do not apply here  -  accumulated wisdom outweighs sample size.

My concern was that Bernard was reconsidering the watch because he wants to be controversial and "go against the flow" rather than for the love of it. That may also be a valid personal reason but it has to be explained to people who come upon the discussion without background. It's like a chinese guy I know who went through a phase of collecting serial number 4 (against conventional chinese numerology taboos).

Joe Public needs to know that the 'about-turn' is for more subtle reasons than liking the watch at that price point or pressure from having to be contradictory. It's to complete a quirky anti-establishment theme collection.

Current marketing positioning

Indonesian magnate: "So  -  why do I need to buy watch XYZ?"

Salesman: "Because YOU can, sir!  You are rich enough to do what you like"

Indonesian magnate: "I like the sound of that, boy. Go against the riff raff opinion of mere plebians on 2 horology websites because I can......yup that's for me."

smile

Opus 8 will be successful because of PuristS discussions; more page views than any watch at this price point -  from Basel/Geneva 2008.

It only needs 1:1000 as buy : viewed ratio to be commercially successful i.e. even if 1 in a 1000 persons that see it, actually buy it.......the production will sell out.   Move on to Opus 9......

Best regards,

Melvyn

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I promise to relook at the Opus 8, as a potential customer.

 
 By: bernard cheong : July 16th, 2008-00:50
For what it is worth...I have been thinking that to own one, may just add a certain "completeness" to my collection. In fact, it may boost my collection's carnival status...I mean this in the most positive light! So far, the team has been working on an ev...  

You've got to be kidding me Bernard...

 
 By: mkt33 : July 16th, 2008-09:06
There are many other selections out there that could complete your collection and still add "color". You know in medicine sometimes we have to trust our instincts... Your initial instincts were so strong that I somehow doubt this would be what you spend y... 

Here's why...

 
 By: bernard cheong : July 16th, 2008-17:29
I had a tad more conversation with many watch people, mostly industry. I would reveal that 8 out of 9 hate the watch, and are not "with" it. But you know...I am that kind of guy that just because 1 man...and that man is from Harry Winston, but not a part ... 

Yes, one of the most ambiguous watches of this year

 
 By: VadimT : July 16th, 2008-09:21
On my vision, the main difficulties with aesthetic of watches such “digital” and “modern sci-fi” type is harmonization of asymmetrical design, what usually deals with complexity and size of mechanics. Last time I also thought about sci-fi design. And only... 

It was the asking price that got to me most ..especially since the form was to be "humor".

 
 By: bernard cheong : July 16th, 2008-17:31
I get the retro idea and all that..but I don't get or am convinced by the cost.

I do love this watch and .......

 
 By: CL : July 21st, 2008-20:19
I really hope it is price of URWERK 103 or MB&F 2 But as for Bernard, I do see this piece fits perfectly in your collection. Lovesss*CL

CL..gasp...it's 3x the price of mBF 1....?!?

 
 By: bernard cheong : July 21st, 2008-20:25
It is really "ex" as we say in chinese.

The bleeding edge

 
 By: AndrewD : July 23rd, 2008-16:10

As doctors, we have 4 truisms

 
 By: MTF : July 24th, 2008-13:36
1) When you hear bird-song, it is more likely to be a sparrow than a nightingale. (i.e. common things happen commonly) 2) If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and smells like a duck-shit -- then duck shit it is! (no explanation needed) 3) KISS (kee... 

My dear MTF and Dr. Cheong. . .

 
 By: Jack Forster : July 26th, 2008-21:15
. . . I have as you can imagine followed this thread with some interest, and without expressing an opinion on the watch, I can't quite credit that you genuinely think an anecdotal reportage of 8 out of 10 'not being with it' (whatever that means) constitu... 

No comment on Opus 8

 
 By: MTF : July 27th, 2008-19:10
Dear Jack, Appreciate your points. My comments were NOT directed at the Opus 8 because that is already old news and as you said - commentary on subjective "liking" of a "design" is a futile exercise. My commentary was about Bernard going against his advis... 

You make some excellent points unquestionably. . .

 
 By: Jack Forster : July 28th, 2008-19:55
. . . I assumed, I admit, that Bernard was being rhetorical rather than literal when he said 8 out of nine surveyed disliked the watch (and my experience too has been that it is far from universally admired in some quarters, I have heard some disappointed... 

my suggestion is ...

 
 By: raphmeister : July 28th, 2008-05:53
not to jump on this one Bernard. keep the dosh for something more worthy.. there are of course many more watches to come and this is a forgettable blip in horology .. and at that price... 'what were they smoking?' cheers raph

yes but what if

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : July 29th, 2008-00:57
someone let's just for the sake of discussion say Bernard .0) one day owns all Opus pieces except 8 tormenting in the horizon just my 2HRK so my decision would be to buy even that piece I dislike just to have whole Opus collection Best

my 2 cents

 
 By: Cookies : August 4th, 2008-08:28

Biggest disappointment in OPUSs, well the only one as well...

 
 By: Steyr : August 5th, 2008-06:46
Yes, I loved every of the OPUS up to the 7. Of course, some more than others, but I allways appreciateted their originality as well as technical nature. This one surely has the originality, but they might have gone slightly too far in taking some rough ea... 

Manual activation

 
 By: AndrewD : August 6th, 2008-21:03