The reason imho is not about finding a link between the size of the case and the movement

May 24, 2016,10:27 AM
 

but how the size of the watch supports its shape, what is the spirit behind its look (dressy, sporty, pilot watch, casual etc...) and especially how it works with the dial: a 3 hands watch will not work the same way a chronograph or QP dial will with for instance a 40mm case.

I can have a big movement taking 90% of the room in the case, this doesn't mean the watch is good looking or nice in any terms of watchmaking. Of course, a movement filling the case is better, but this is really not the main concern to care about.

The case of this MB is not big because the movement is and they had to. But they decided to make it like that because of the Pilot inspiration. A small case would have been weird for a Pilot watch. After that choice, they decided to put the right movement (it would have been ridiculous with the caliber of the first 37mm Villeret).

This MB could have been smaller and MB would have made an as good caliber in a smaller size. They weren't pushed to make the big case because of the movement. There was no real reason, technically or in temrs of finishing for imposing such a size, thus leading to a 44m case.

So the case size of MB for this Pilot inspired piece is more, imho, being truth to what it is related to: a Pilot watch, thus bigger size for legibility and commands manipulation (with gloves). This is why I think this MB piece is totally coherent (with the addition of fine finishing compared to original Pilot watches which were not made that way, of course).

Also, there is a demand for bigger case and this is good to provide the offer as well (what we saw in the big Tachydate in the past). This is also for commercial matters, like every brands.

The 5070 for instance was made to fulfill a demand for bigger cases at a time when brands also had to ask themselves if they should not be evolving with their world, people asking for that as well. I don't think a 37mm 5070 would have looked as good and the chrono dial would have been impossible to make the same way (not enough room). And making a brand new movement just for that watch was not possible either for obvious reasons.

A world of watches were the size of the caliber should always fit the case would look very bad on the dial side... Of course when it fits, it's better but way further in the priority list.

Cheers, Mark


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Review: Montblanc 1858 Tachymeter Chronograph Steel with blue dial – Part Two

 
 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 23rd, 2016-22:32
Last week, we saw quite a few PuristS share live pictures of the Montblanc 1858 Tachymeter Chronograph on our Montblanc forum, including a new owner, M4, who just received his watch! I know that very soon another Purist will be receiving his, and I very m...  

I agree, the Cal 16.29 is THE main reason to get the 1858 Tachymeter.

 
 By: amanico : May 23rd, 2016-22:53
I don't know any other modern watch with such a level of decoration at that price. Add the large balance wheel, the Devil's Tail ( chrono stop lever ), and you understand why this chronograph is a winner. Interesting article, Robin. Best, Nicolas

Somehow, I'm glad that

 
 By: skyeriding : May 23rd, 2016-23:57
...I'm not the only one who calls it the "Devil's Tail". Perhaps it's a metaphor for the temptation to acquire one? Regards, skyeriding

Lol! The vlad's tail then :p

 
 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 24th, 2016-06:41
It\'s the Minerva arrowhead officially

Once you factor in price

 
 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 24th, 2016-06:40
There is no fight . This is THE fine chronograph to get I agree It\'s only drawback will be the 44mm size. But even then, i still enjoy it a lot on my 6.2 inch wrist so I am sure everyone else will be ok

Yes, but for once, there is a good reason behind the size. Which is far from being the case, most often.

 
 By: amanico : May 24th, 2016-09:55
For example, the Patek 5070: What was the need to go for a 42 mm case? Its 27 mm movement? Best, Nicolas

The reason imho is not about finding a link between the size of the case and the movement

 
 By: Mark in Paris : May 24th, 2016-10:27
but how the size of the watch supports its shape, what is the spirit behind its look (dressy, sporty, pilot watch, casual etc...) and especially how it works with the dial: a 3 hands watch will not work the same way a chronograph or QP dial will with for ... 

Yes, you're right

 
 By: Mark in Paris : May 24th, 2016-12:23
Then the brand chooses the version to launch. But I feel this is not the trend right now !

With the Montblanc Villeret, you have super fine movements in 39 to 44 mm cases.

 
 By: amanico : May 24th, 2016-12:25
Add an enamel dial and precious metal for a bit more than 40 K Euros, and you have the top. Best, Nicolas

Agree Nico

 
 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 25th, 2016-18:08
Is this yet another prayer request to the wizard of Oz?

Indeed, and I remember trying the smaller chronos several years ago

 
 By: Mark in Paris : May 26th, 2016-03:45
But as dealing with Pilot watches, this is the area where, yet, the big sizes are the trend... You can suggest them to try the smaller size, it would be a nice move too!

A look onto pure pleasure, it appears.. Great part 2, again !.. This movement is a real juwel in its class & outdoes many others..

 
 By: hs111 : May 23rd, 2016-23:58
When I read & followed your inspiring review and pics, I am slowly regretting not to have enlisted to getting this watch. I bet, the 100 LE pieces will be gone very soon and maybe are already secured by their happy owners. But alas, one cannot have it all... 

I really hope there is a chance

 
 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 24th, 2016-06:41
You can see this in the metal and get one piece for yourself . I am very sure you will enjoy this a lot hs Cheers Robin

Great review! [nt]

 
 By: Alex 007 : May 24th, 2016-00:39

Thanks Alex!

 
 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 24th, 2016-06:42
We will do a roll call soon. Just waiting for Michael Cheers Robin

Nicely done.

 
 By: BDLJ : May 24th, 2016-01:30
Good to see this level of review.

Glad you like the review

 
 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 24th, 2016-06:42
Thank you for your encouraging words Cheers Robin

Great review with nice marco pics and video...

 
 By: chuck19 : May 24th, 2016-03:45
.. can't wait for part 3 and my birthday is coming bro !

Lol! When is your birthday? :)

 
 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 24th, 2016-06:43
I finished what I want to share by part two so there won\'t be a part 3. But I will share more about this watch over time as an owner

Well done Robin.

 
 By: M4 : May 24th, 2016-04:16
An interesting read and summary that captures my thoughts for sure. M4

Thank you very much M4

 
 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 24th, 2016-06:44
I am sure you are enjoying yours a lot now. Take the loupe and enjoy it at a deeper level Cheers Robin

Excellent, informative read

 
 By: MichaelC : May 24th, 2016-07:47
I can't wait to see the big and slow balance up close! Reminds me of my big diesel heavy duty pickup... just idling along at low RPM, but with continuous, sustained power. Thanks for putting in the research to compare the 16.29 with its inspiration!

Very happy you enjoyed Michael

 
 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 25th, 2016-18:09
Soon you can enjoy it in the metal!

One more time thank you Robin.

 
 By: kolosstt : May 24th, 2016-13:20
Great work, much appreciated.

My pleasure to share here

 
 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 25th, 2016-18:09
Thank you very much for your encouragement Cheers Robin

That's the same feeling I get bro!

 
 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 25th, 2016-18:10
Actually our H.Moser is also a slow oscillator. Same speed as the Montblanc Villeret balance wheels

Thank you. Very happy you like it :)

 
 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 25th, 2016-18:11
I will continue to do my best ! Cheers Robin

Definitely a worthy successor to the 17 :)

 
 By: KMII : May 25th, 2016-22:53
Thanks for your excellent report - well done, photographed and informative, as always