Watch Winders: Necessity and Collector Debate
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Watch Winders: Necessity and Collector Debate

By elliot55 · May 21, 2012 · 26 replies
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Elliot55 initiates a rare discussion on watch winders, exploring their necessity, types, and the ongoing debate among collectors. This post provides a comprehensive overview of the winder market, from basic models to high-end safes, and invites the community to share their experiences and philosophies on keeping automatic watches running.

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Here’s something we don’t talk about very often:  Watch Winders. 

 

For those of us who have more than one mechanical watch, and automatic winders in particular, having the right watch winder makes all the difference in the world.  For starters, keeping a mechanical watch running is vital in the overall, long-term health of a timepiece.  For enders, those of us that like to change watches daily are always happiest when the montre du jour does not require setting.

 

There are essentially two types of watch winders; the first kind is a cheap, simple and unsophisticated ‘spinner’ with a motor that turns nonstop in a single direction (usually clockwise), and is often found inside of a box made of some shiny faux wood product.  The second kind is a more advanced (and more expensive) fully automatic device, generally controlled by computer logic.  Recommended watch winders “turn and rest”, and many have the ability to be programmed with various winding cycle parameters as specified by the timepiece manufacturer.  These parameters include the number of turns per day, rest times and turning intervals, as well as whether the winder should turn clockwise, counter-clockwise - or both - during the winding cycle.


The winder market is fairly competitive and there are many companies manufacturing high-end watch winders.  Buben & Zorweg, Eilux, Orbita, Rotolution and Wolf Designs (probably the oldest of the watch winder makers), are but a few.  Prices range from $200 for a basic, single watch winder from Wolf (on Amazon), to well over four thousand dollars for Orbita’s “Wall Winder”, all the way on up to $40,000 (and higher) for the Heisse & Sohne custom-built, completely impenetrable watch safe.



 

Buben & Zorweg Gnarley Watch Vault

Buben & Zorweg Gnarley Watch Vault


Eilux Six Watch Winder - Open Front

Eilux Six Watch Winder - Open Front




Wolf Designs Basic Watch Winder

Wolf Designs Basic Watch Winder


No matter who you are or whatever your budget, one way or the other it is essential to keep your mechanical watches running.  For instance, take Patek Philippe’s uber complicated, manual-winding Sky Moon Tourbillon, reference 5002.  This piece tracks so many aspects of time allowing it to stop would prove disastrous.  Then again, at well over a-million-and-a-half dollars budget is hardly a consideration, and keeping this masterpiece wound is probably the least of its owner’s concerns.




Patek Philippe Sky Moon Tourbillon

Patek Philippe Sky Moon Tourbillon


Sky Moon Tourbillon Custom Winder

Sky Moon Tourbillon Custom Winder

Certainly, quality and reliability play an important role when deciding on a winder.  After all, these things are not inexpensive.  And because they are basically running 24 hours a day, failure is not part of their job description.  Personally, I have three winders from Wolf Designs and one from Rotolution.  The Wolf winders basically “turn and rest” a fixed number of times per day (850), and employ a single toggle switch that can “program” the winder to turn clockwise (‘A’wink, counter-clockwise (‘B’wink, or both (‘C’wink.  The newer Wolf Design winders employ a more secure ‘click and lock’ watch pillow system.  The older Wolfs had a less secure watch pillow that could slip out of the winder.  Needless to say, Wolf’s new mounting system is a much welcome improvement over the older type. 

 

The Rotolution winder has a beautiful black lacquer finish and the model I have can wind two watches (they also have a four watch model), with drawer space for three more watches or other jewelry.  Each of the winders can be programmed separately using the accompanying (Windows only) software and included USB cable, and the watch pillow mounting design is best of breed!  The digital display conveys the number of turns programmed for a 24-hour period (for example, 850), the current number of revolutions that have elapsed in a 24-hour period, as well as the total elapsed time.  If you start the Rotolution winder straight up at midnight, it also makes a great 24-hour clock!  Not to mention that the Rotolution folks are awesome people who offer topnotch customer service.  Highly recommended.

 

Which watch winders are you watching while your watches whirl?  Are there some winder brands that have been proven to be more reliable while functioning consistently for long periods of time?  I have noticed that some winders can be more fragile than others, and if not properly handled are easily subject to damage.  As my collection grows I am always eager to know more about watch winder manufacturers that remain ‘under-the-radar’ because they do not have the marketing budget of say, an Orbita, or the history of a Wolf Designs.  Would love to know what everyone’s using to keep the heartbeat of our most prized possessions… well… beating.



Rotolution 4 Watch Winder in Cherry Wood

Rotolution 4 Watch Winder in Cherry Wood




Heisse & Sohne Watch Vault - Front View

Heisse & Sohne Watch Vault - Front View


Heisse & Sohne Watch Vault - Closed View

Heisse & Sohne Watch Vault - Closed View



JLC Master Control - Rolex Submariner - Rolex GMT - Rolex Milgauss - Panerai PAM 312

JLC Master Control - Rolex Submariner - Rolex GMT - Rolex Milgauss - Panerai PAM 312


I welcome your feedback

 - Scott
This message has been edited by elliot55 on 2012-05-21 18:38:43

About the Panerai Luminor 1950 3 Days Automatic Ref. PAM312

The Panerai Luminor 1950 3 Days Automatic PAM312 represents a pivotal moment in the brand s modern evolution, bridging Panerai s military heritage with contemporary horological excellence. Introduced as part of the brand s commitment to in-house movement development, this reference showcases the iconic Luminor 1950 case architecture that pays homage to the historic timepieces supplied to the Italian Navy s elite frogmen commandos. The PAM312 embodies the essential DNA of Panerai s design language while incorporating modern manufacturing techniques and materials that elevate it beyond mere historical recreation to become a sophisticated tool watch for the contemporary collector.

At the heart of the PAM312 beats the Calibre P.9000, a robust automatic movement that marked Panerai s significant investment in manufacturing independence. This movement delivers an impressive 72-hour power reserve through its twin mainspring barrels, while maintaining exceptional reliability and precision. The 13¼ lignes movement features 29 jewels and operates at 28,800 vibrations per hour, providing the smooth seconds hand sweep characteristic of modern Swiss movements. The P.9000 s architecture includes a convenient quickset hour hand function, allowing travelers to adjust local time without disturbing the running seconds or minute accuracy.

The 44mm brushed steel case exemplifies Panerai s masterful approach to proportions and finishing, featuring the signature crown-protecting bridge that defines the Luminor collection. The polished steel bezel creates an elegant contrast against the brushed case surfaces, while the distinctive black sandwich dial ensures optimal legibility with its luminous Arabic numerals and indices. Protected by a substantial 2.6mm sapphire crystal and rated to 300 meters water resistance, the PAM312 maintains the tool watch credibility that collectors expect from the marque. This reference has achieved strong recognition among enthusiasts as an accessible entry point into Panerai s in-house movement offerings, combining iconic design elements with modern horological sophistication that positions it as both a daily wearing piece and a significant addition to any serious Panerai collection.

Specifications

Caliber
Cal. P9010
Case
Brushed Steel
Diameter
44mm
Dial
black
Water Resist.
300m
Crystal
2.6mm Sapphire

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AndrewD
May 21, 2012

... but I sure appreciate your review. ;-) The reason is that I don't have any perpetual calendar watches. :-( A clear gap in the collection! So my most complicated automatics only have a date to re-set. I do worry about wearing out automatic winding mechanisms prematurely. My personal experience is that this is the part that requires service before the escapement and gear train needs lubrication! So for me if they are not on my wrist then they are not running. I do, however, wind all my watches

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Hororgasm
May 21, 2012

I have a few winders, but i have not really kept them running all the time. occasionally when i fell like it. used principally as display case! the trend for winders is driven partly by the explosive growth in the watch collecting, and "prey" upon a owners disposition to spend on accessories for their prized possesions(as with most hobby driven industries). alot of the winders in the marketplace are absolutely rubbish, mass manufactured in China(dont they all!!) but of seriously sub standard qua

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patrick_y
May 22, 2012

I too belong in the winders not necessary camp. Thank you for mentioning your observations on the B&Z winder. Will take a closer look before I buy mine. I currently use Scatola Del Tempo winders (which remain inactively used). So far, pleased with the construction, but as you say, there's a lot of glue, which is to be expected joining leather to plastic (almost no other way to do so without glue).

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dxboon
May 22, 2012

I don't use winders (don't like them -- except as objects of art at the higher end of the spectrum). I remove watches from the bank periodically and wind/wear them. If they aren't on my wrist, they aren't ticking away. I should try to be better about resting them in varying positions, however. Very thoughtful post. Thanks! Cheers, Daos

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emcquillan
May 22, 2012

May I ask what kind of portable case you have and are you happy with it? I am looking for one. Many thanks and kind regards.

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Subexplorer
May 22, 2012

... subject here, about a theme I have been always wondering about. Do I need a WW or not? I well understand the practical side of them, if you own a perpetual calendar watch or a watch with Grand complications, where setting them each time you wish to wear it, could be a real work, or just bad for the watch movement. By the other hand, I always doubted about having a movement continuously working while I don´t wear a watch. Do this lend to a premature wearing of the mechanism? Last, but not lea

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