SIHH 2018 Horo-Fatigue & Split-Second Chronographs
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SIHH 2018 Horo-Fatigue & Split-Second Chronographs

By Joepny · Jan 19, 2018 · 15 replies
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Joepny shares his reflections on "horo-fatigue" following SIHH 2018, using his Jaeger-LeCoultre Duomètre Quantième Lunaire as a benchmark for new releases. He critically assesses the year's major split-second chronograph introductions from F.P. Journe and A. Lange & Söhne, offering a collector's perspective on design, innovation, and movement thickness.

*Credit to Hororgasm, who I believe is the one who coined this term

The Duometre QL is typically my Fall/Winter rotation watch (I prefer bracelets in Spring/Summer) and it serves a great side purpose:  I can compare it against all the new watches that brands announce from Fall into Winter with SIHH and ends with BaselWorld.  The Duometre is my youngest watch that I fell for at first sight 2 years ago, and it helps me gauge whether any of the new sparkly & gleaming releases can sit alongside it.  I am not a big vintage watch guy like HSTE or Nicolas, but through the last few years, my preferences have leaned to older contemporary watches; I am a big fan of watches from the 1990's and early 2000's.  And every now and then an exception is made for a modern like the Duometre.



So about this SIHH --  I have doubled back to look at info that the moderators & members have generously provided (many thanks to them!) and I have to say: the horo-fatigue is real.  We started with a bang last week when FP Journe released the marketing info about the new Rattrapante models and then last weekend we got to see the new Audemars Piguet Royal Oaks.  It was a promising start and then, for me, it died down.  After AP's new models, for me, no Richemont brand carried the flag of high-wow factor (complications matched with great elegant design) with real honest-to-goodness pictures that confirmed the quality in the metal.  A few Richemont brands did fairly commendable work but not inspiring and honestly, I am not one of those negative cranky guys.  I'm thinking a lot of SIHH 2018 is a reflection of planning & development that started 2-3 years ago when the industry was in a crisis with weak financial results so Richemont probably made strategic plans to scale back their ambitions and so here we are...  That is my guess.  

(1) Let's talk about the rattrapante.  We had two big players introduce their variations:  FP Journe updated his rattrapante movement from Only Watch and added a big date and then put it in an odd case & bracelet styles, IMO.  It was like dressing down a pretty girl to make her homely and giving her a bad haircut too.  Then ALS showed their technical prowess with the giant Triple Split.  It was intellectually inspiring for a moment but the pictures of the Triple Split for me showed an uber-conservative dial and case (too grey and bland IMO).  I think it lacks the elegant design factor like the Patek 5370P with its black enamel dial.  Anyway, I did a comparison of recent haute horlogerie split second chronographs from the well-known brands.  FP Journe should be congratulated to really making his movement thin in a large modern size.  I think ALS's next step in their fabulous evolution should be to work on slimming down their movements, to me thickness is a weakness.

Vacheron Constantin Harmony Ultra-thin Grande Complication:  42mm x 8.4mm thickness
PP 5950A:  37mm x 10.13mm
FPJ Linesport Rattrapante:  44mm x 12mm
PP 5370P:  41mm x 13.56mm
Parmigiani Fleurier Chronor Anniversaire:  42.1mm x 14.6mm
Richard Mille RM004:  39.7mm x 14.95mm
ALS Double Split:  43.2mm x 15.3mm
ALS Triple Split:  43.2mm x 15.6mm


Pic from PF website. My favorite version in WG with blue enamel.




Pic from Watches by SJX. A great VC watch.




(2) Let's talk about Vacheron Constantin.  Look at the beautiful Harmony rattrapante released in 2015.  They made only 10 of them. 
It is well-known that VC's strategy in the last few years has been to gain buzz with a younger clientele and get them to dip into entry-level VC watches and make them dedicated VC fans over their lifetime as their incomes rise and they will buy higher level VC watches later.  Hence, we get the new FiftySix release.  Now, VC complemented the release by working with some Instagram influencers known for being clotheshorses & smoking cigars and a few are oddly not very young guys (and I am 42+!).  But these guys have substantial followers on their Instagram accounts so I guess that is what VC is after.  All my opinion of course.

About the new FiftySix watches themselves, they are not to my taste but the dial work is a high standard as you can expect from VC.

Anyway, my argument to Mr. Louis Ferla who heads Vacheron Constantin and Mr. Jerome Lambert who oversees Mr. Ferla is this:  the strategy is flawed.  You do not need to focus more attention on winning guys from the men's fashion world or cigar world or cars world to buy their first VC watch.  Sure, do advertisements in GQ or Exotic Cars or Cigar magazine and the like to get more guys to know your name.  But you have arguably thousands and thousands of admirers already in the watch world, who know the historical reputation and heritage of Vacheron Constantin but have not bought anything in the last 4-5 years.  Give us a reason to buy and we will buy.  You don't have to use flashy advertisements on us.  Blow our socks off with the watch.  Don't dumb down the watch.  Make a 100 LE Harmony ultra-thin rattrapante in stainless steel.  Make the Harmony Chronograph in SS and keep it in the catalogue.  Make an Overseas Perpetual Calendar in stainless steel.  Make more Cornes de Vache in SS and change up the dial color and keep them in the catalogue (the best thing that Hodinkee did for you was to point you to using stainless steel).  Make an Overseas Perpetual Calendar Chronograph reference (new movement) in all the metals.  Make a moonphase Historiques American in all the metals.  And at the same time, to fund the development of these new versions, look through your catalogue and reduce the abundance of Patrimony and Traditionnelle references.  It will have the effect to make the Patrimony and Traditionnelle lines be more exclusive.  As always, all my crazy opinions.             


Your thoughts?













About the Richard Mille Split-Seconds Chronograph Ref. RM004

Richard Mille RM004 Split-Seconds Chronograph

The RM004 represents Richard Mille's split-seconds chronograph offering, distinguished by its manual-winding movement and skeletonized dial construction. Produced from 2003 to 2010, this reference demonstrates the brand's approach to high-complication timepieces within a compact case format.

The 38mm titanium case houses the manual-winding RM004 caliber, providing a 55-hour power reserve. The skeletonized dial reveals the movement architecture beneath a sapphire crystal. Water resistance extends to 50 meters, and the watch is fitted with a rubber strap. The fixed bezel maintains the case's streamlined profile.

This reference appeals to collectors seeking Richard Mille's take on the split-seconds complication in a relatively understated package. The titanium construction and skeletonized dial execution align with contemporary preferences for technical displays and lightweight materials. The seven-year production run establishes the RM004 as a core reference within the brand's chronograph offerings.

Specifications

Caliber
RM004
Case
Titanium
Diameter
38 mm
Dial
Skeletonized
Water Resist.
50m
Crystal
Sapphire

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AM
amanico
Jan 19, 2018

And that prudence is not the best way to come out of the crisis. I don't see brands daring that much. Ulysse Nardin, maybe, Girard Perregaux, also... and then? Who else? What else? Come on, make us dream, and you will sell... My point, too. Best, Nicolas

JO
Joepny
Jan 19, 2018

When JLC releases the Duometre in black enamel, I will have many sleepless nights and many daydreams!!!

CL
Clueless_Collector
Jan 19, 2018

but how big are "we"....Joe? If you see the limited edition of watches, in 100, 300 or 500....the owners "here" are <10...don't count divers or lurkers. The brands have their way to gauge the market, and some may be wrong. I say focus on: 1. Quality, not Quantity. 2. After market sales and service. 3. Take care of collector and brand relationship (more event, haha) 4. Fix the secondary/grey market. By the way, nice JLC Duometre on Tiffany strap Rgds Raymond

JO
Joepny
Jan 19, 2018

VC is going into the biggest lake it can find instead of small ponds of dedicated Purists. I wished my strap was a Tiffany’s-made to go with the Tiffany’s like color...it is a more humble Jean Rousseau. 😁

JO
Joepny
Jan 19, 2018

Anything not colored gold. 👍🧐

AR
Ares501 - Mr Green
Jan 19, 2018

He even used it as nick for some time Interesting to read his post www.watchprosite.com Looks like some things didn't changed for 6 years Agreed by AP RO QP but for me (call me biased) GP had great collection. This time of posts and discussions I like a lot shows independent line of thinking and not going with the blogging flow, gramming hype and PR fog here on WPS Cheers D

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