
Baron - Mr Red critically examines the practice of buying Patek Philippe watches in sealed plastic, arguing that this trend, driven by speculation, may be nearing its end. He highlights Patek Philippe's new stance against sealed watches and raises concerns about the ease of faking packaging, which could pose new risks for collectors.

The Patek Philippe Complications reference 5131 is a World Time model, distinguished by its cloisonné enamel dial depicting a map of the world. This reference is part of a series that showcases Patek Philippe's expertise in both horological complications and traditional decorative arts, offering a functional travel watch with significant aesthetic appeal. It represents a continuation of the brand's long-standing tradition of producing World Time watches, updated with contemporary design elements and a self-winding movement. The 5131 is recognized for its intricate dial work, which varies depending on the specific metal and region depicted.
The watch features a 39.5mm case, available in various precious metals, housing the self-winding Caliber 240 HU. This movement provides a power reserve of 48 hours and drives the World Time complication, allowing the wearer to simultaneously view the time in 24 different time zones. The case is fitted with a sapphire crystal, ensuring durability and clear visibility of the detailed dial. Water resistance is rated at 30 meters, suitable for everyday wear. The fixed bezel frames the intricate dial, contributing to the watch's refined profile.
As a World Time model with a cloisonné dial, the 5131 appeals to collectors who appreciate both technical sophistication and artisanal craftsmanship. Its limited production and the unique hand-finished nature of each dial contribute to its desirability within the secondary market. The reference fits into Patek Philippe's Complications collection as a high-end travel watch, offering a distinctive alternative to more traditional time-only or chronograph models. Variants typically involve different precious metal cases and corresponding enamel map depictions.
but I am quite concerned that certain markets that literally demand that watches are in plastic wrapping or sealed (when it comes to Patek) will drive up the prices of used sealed Pateks. I certainly hope not but certain cultures I know of unfortunately may have different preferences.
Without knowing for sure, I would think the other important Fora, including TZ, will have this knowledge now as well. Thus, there is a large group of hard-core savants and collectors who know what NOT to do. You, who knows what the game is, are not going to let your less-knowledgeable friend make the mistake of paying a premium for a potential fraud, at least if you are in contact with your friend and your friend will listen to reason. Joe won't allow that to happen; I won't; GLau etc. etc. etc.
and I also agree. I always wondered why people never thought of how easy it would be to fake the box/bag or just reseal an open box. For me this would not be a reason to pay premium, on the contrary, agreeing with all those points you made. Furthermore, I have a feeling that it is not to the best of a watch to sit in an air-tight sealed plastic bag, possibly for years. It would be almost certain that when you open that bag after years, the watch will immediately require service, which totally ne
I just cannot understand why someone would want to spend $100,000+ on a gorgeous watch, whatever brand it may be, and let it sit in a safety-deposit box for 6-7 years, hoping he/she picked the right one that was going to appreciate in value. This isn't stock. (I have to stop-I'm heading toward a socialist rant.)
sometimes, I cant help feel Patek is a victim of their success, and the hype they so desperately try to create and maintain. wanna stop the greys? implement a inventory tracking system, and stop sealing their wares! stop putting out senseless press release and waste collectors horological bandwidth on honestly, IMHO, stupid issues like sealing the watches, or not!!! best, Horo
.....many Patek Philippe watches have an instant premium over the secondary price. So, when a speculator buys a sealed watch that is already sitting at a premium, he can then squeeze out an added premium over a very short period of time by keeping it in a sealed bag. Double double. As you highlight very well, its going to become dangerous for buyers soon. Buy a sealed bag....one has no idea what is inside.
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