Reference Guide
Siamcollector meticulously details the subtle yet significant differences between the Patek Philippe Nautilus Ref. 5712 from 2009 (Geneva Seal era) and 2014 (PP Seal era). This comparative analysis, complete with illustrative photos, highlights changes ranging from dial nuances and bracelet construction to packaging details, offering invaluable insights for collectors keen on distinguishing these specific production years.
2009 vs 2014 difference 5712
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Dark blue/Black vs darker blue/Black
Screw bracelets vs pin bracelet
123gram vs 125 gram
Geneva Seal vs PP seal
Yellow tan interior box vs white Tan interior box
Gold brand leather booklet vs Silver brand leather booklet
Philippe Stern Signature vs Thierry Stern Signature
Old manual and document vs New manual and document
White ribbon vs dark brown ribbon in other box
The Patek Philippe Complications Reference 5712 is a notable offering within the brand's Complications collection, distinguished by its asymmetrical dial layout and a suite of practical indications. It presents a sophisticated blend of functionality and design, offering a moon phase, power reserve indicator, and an analog date display, all arranged to create a distinctive visual identity that sets it apart from more traditional Patek Philippe designs.
This particular reference features a stainless steel case measuring 40 mm in diameter, housing the self-winding caliber 240 PS IRM C LU. This movement is known for its slim profile, achieved through the integration of a micro-rotor, contributing to the watch's comfortable wearability. The watch is fitted with a sapphire crystal and offers a water resistance of 60 meters, with a power reserve of approximately 48 hours.
For collectors, the 5712 represents an accessible entry into Patek Philippe's complicated timepieces, offering a range of functions without the complexity of a perpetual calendar or chronograph. Its stainless steel construction and integrated bracelet provide a robust and versatile option, appealing to those seeking a daily wearable complicated watch. The reference has been in production since 2006, with the 5712/1A denoting the stainless steel bracelet variant.
Nice to know. Biggest difference is obviously the bracelet. Regarding the bracelet, the screw system is more expensive for Patek Philippe to produce and is generally considered more secure than the "hammered out friction pin system." You've got a keen eye to notice the box lining has changed over the years. Thanks for the post!
Any difference in the dials that have changed over the years? The horizontal stripes on the dial may change a little bit. Sometimes the power reserve dots have changed a bit from the 3712 to the 5712. The moonphase changed a bit; one has a shiny moonphase with a black outline for the stars and moon. The newer versions have a moonphase has a matte/grainy moonphase without the aforementioned black outline.
Thanks for the explanation. It's a bit weird though to be moving from screws to pins, especially on watches like this. I'm not a fan of pins myself.
-after year of unservice the screw is very difficult to remove even after hair dryer. -if you are not pro you may scratch your watch -Screw have their life time and more expensive to replace IMO I like screw but pin is more practical in the long run (especially since the screw is so small)
Patek Philippe at the factory too much Loctite (powerful glue for screw threads) once on a brand new Nautilus 5712 with screws in its bracelet and it was impossible for me to get it out with a screwdriver. In the end, after breaking three (!!!) screwdriver tips, I sent it back to the local distributor (Henri Stern Watch Agency in New York) to have them remove it.
Do you love them the same ? If not, which one do you like more and why ? Cheers, Gordon
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