Patek Philippe Collectors: Other Brands in Your Collection?
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Patek Philippe Collectors: Other Brands in Your Collection?

By Baron - Mr Red · Mar 15, 2017 · 46 replies
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Baron - Mr Red, a seasoned Patek Philippe collector, shares his philosophy on diversifying a luxury watch collection beyond a single marquee brand. His insights into how Patek Philippe, Rolex, JLC, and Omega fulfill distinct roles within his collection offer a valuable framework for collectors considering expanding their horological horizons. This discussion illuminates the nuanced reasons behind collecting multiple brands, from aesthetic preferences to functional requirements.

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This question was put to me by a collector yesterday evening. As a collector of Patek Philippe, what other manufacturers do you also collect and why?

Are you mainly a vintage Patek collector, modern or both?


Do you see Patek as fulfilling a specific role in your collection?

What other manufacturers do you collect?


For me, my Patek Philippe collection is about 60% vintage and 40% modern. There are essentially three other manufacturers in my collection; Rolex, JLC and Omega, with the Omegas being by far the smallest percentage. I see Patek Philippe as fulfilling a very specific aspect to collecting, namely the elegance and charm of the 1950s/1960s time only Calatravas as well as higher complications. I think Patek Philippe produces THE most astonishing world time watches. For my taste, I see them as the pinnacle. Similarly, I am drawn to their modern adaptation of the chronograph and split second. Rolex do not compete in this area of highly elegant chronograph. Possibly one of the few overlaps I have is the Rolex Daytona from the 1960s and the Patek 5070P....


Rolex fulfills a very different role for me. With about 80% vintage and 20% modern, I see Rolex as filling my need for a sports watch...a highly reliable vintage sports watch. There is something about a 40 year old vintage Rolex that exudes a charm that is unmistakable. It does something very few other watches can do for me. I think it is fair to say that no other manufacturer has captured that vintage sports feel that Rolex has managed. Hence a big part of my (non-Patek) collection is vintage Rolex sports models. I also have a small percentage of Omega that essentially fill a similar role. The other manufacturer in my collection is JLC. The vast majority of my JLC are modern and I started collecting the manufacturer out of an emotional and historical reason.

So yes, as a collector of Patek Philippe, I do collect other manufacturers with Rolex being the main alternative as it fills a gap that I feel Patek do not compete within. Overall, the combination of Patek Philippe and Rolex covers most bases for my collecting landscape. Of course, one could always fill specific holes in that landscape. There will ALWAYS be holes where other manuacturers excel. But as a broad canvas, Rolex and Patek cover my bases.


The question is, as a Patek Philippe collector, what other watches do you collect and why?







About the Patek Philippe Ref. 5070

The Patek Philippe reference 5070, part of the Complications collection, marked a significant return for the brand to large-format chronographs. Introduced in 1998, it was the first non-perpetual calendar chronograph produced by Patek Philippe since the reference 1463, which ceased production in the early 1960s. Its design drew inspiration from a unique Patek Philippe aviator's watch from the 1940s, characterized by its prominent case and dial layout, yet reinterpreted for a contemporary audience. This reference established a new aesthetic direction for the brand's chronographs, moving towards more substantial case dimensions.

The watch features a 42mm case, initially offered in 18k yellow gold, housing the manual-winding Caliber CH 27-70. This movement, based on a Nouvelle Lémania ébauche, was extensively finished and modified by Patek Philippe, meeting the brand's stringent quality standards. It provides a power reserve of approximately 55 hours. The dial, in this specific configuration, is black, protected by a sapphire crystal, and the watch is water-resistant to 30 meters. The fixed bezel frames the dial, and the watch is typically fitted with a leather strap.

Reference 5070 appeals to collectors interested in modern Patek Philippe chronographs that combine traditional movement architecture with a more contemporary case size. Its limited production run and the subsequent introduction of variants in other precious metals contribute to its collectibility. The reference represents a distinct period in Patek Philippe's chronograph history, bridging vintage inspirations with a new era of larger watch designs.

Specifications

Caliber
Cal.CH 27-70
Case
18k yellow gold
Diameter
42mm
Dial
black
Water Resist.
30m
Crystal
Sapphire

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Harry2
Mar 15, 2017

But I think you have presented a great topic of discussion. I look forward to some insight into the minds of the Patek collectors on this forum. I\'ll be enthusiastically following this post for sure!

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Baron - Mr Red
Mar 15, 2017

....yes, I think it is an insightful question....one posed by a collector to me last night. It will be fascinating to see responses

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Bruno.M1
Mar 15, 2017

And to be honest, if I had the money I would probably buy one of each. Or at least almost one of each There are brands I simply don\'t like but this is personal taste. For example, but once again.... nothing wrong with the brand , it\'s just not my style... Richard Mille. I appreciate their watches but when I put them on my wrist, it\'s not for me If I look at what I had in the past, I can only conclude I like about everything lol. Had many rolexes and many Panerai. Both. Rands were sold when I

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Baron - Mr Red
Mar 15, 2017

.....interesting synopsis. I think for each collector thereis no right or wrong. It is certainly true for me that i have tried a very wide range of manufacturers...like you...and in the end they have just been sold. Panerai. Blancpain. Tudor. I have owned and sold over time...though I still have one Panerai. I think you make an interesting point about liking a watch as opposed to a manufacturer. I think I am in that category too, but I attach a lot of importance to the back-up on receives from a

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cayenne1200
Mar 15, 2017

I started collecting mainly vintage Rolex but meanwhile I have owned and do still own quite a number of other brands, mainly old chronographs, like Heuer, Lemania, Vetta, Omega etc. I love the cool and used look of the watches showing its traces of a long life. The cool and mostly informal look of the vintage pieces was always very appealing to me. I highly apprecciate the approach of Rolex to their watchmaking in the 1950ies to the 1980ies. By creating their reliable tool watches with a very at

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crown comfort
Mar 15, 2017

Interesting subject, Baron and I think the responses are going to be as wide as this community is. For me, when I started into watches, I typically slowly "graduated", after a Breitling, a GP and an IWC, I finally got my first Patek and I though that's it. I'm done. Was my daily beater for over then 10 years when the unthinkable happened. I considered selling it as my style perhaps evolved or just wanted a change after that long time. And in retrospect, this move really then got me started into

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