Patek Philippe 5960 1/A: Future Icon?
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Patek Philippe 5960 1/A: Future Icon?

By patekova · May 2, 2018 · 25 replies
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Patekova's original post delves into the Patek Philippe Ref. 5960 1/A, making a compelling case for its future as an iconic and highly coveted reference. He highlights its unique position as a complicated steel watch in regular production and draws parallels to historically significant vintage steel complications. This discussion explores why the 5960 1/A, despite initial sales challenges, is poised for significant appreciation among collectors.

Patek has made and continues to make complicated and ultra complicated watches in precious metals, but the only steel watch in regular production that is more complicated is the 5950 split seconds, which is extremely pricey and made in minute quantities. (Yes, there was a 5004A a few years ago - also extremely pricey and extremely limited production.)

The 5960 is very, very complicated. Self winding, triple date, fly back chrono with power reserve and day/night indicator, which needs to be adjusted just once a year in February. Plus unlike all other 5960s it has a bracelet and that bracelet  is detachable, even though it was not intended to be removed.

Historically, complicated steel vintage watches have been produced in much lower numbers than their precious metal counterparts. They have become grail watches of the highest order and valued accordingly.

The 5960 1/A was introduced in 2014 with the white dial. Many love it but sales seemed to have fallen short of expectations. Then the black dial version was introduced at Basel 2017 and surprisingly, discontinued less than a year later. Now the 5960 in steel is history.

A very special watch that I think will become a very important icon and it won’t take long for that to occur. Just my opinion.

What is your viewpoint?

Best, patekova






About the IWC Ref. 5004

The Patek Philippe reference 5004 is a highly regarded grand complication, combining a split-seconds chronograph with a perpetual calendar. This reference was a significant offering in Patek Philippe's catalog, representing a sophisticated blend of technical mastery and traditional watchmaking. It was produced in limited numbers, making it a sought-after piece among collectors of complex horology.

The watch features a 36mm platinum case with a thickness of 15mm, housing the manual-winding caliber CHR 27-70 Q. This movement provides a power reserve of 60 hours and is protected by a sapphire crystal. The dial is presented in silver opaline, offering clear legibility for its numerous indications. The case is water-resistant to 30 meters.

As a split-seconds perpetual calendar, the reference 5004 appeals to collectors who value both intricate mechanical solutions and classical design. Its production run from 1996 to 2012 saw various dial and case material iterations, though platinum was a prominent offering. The integration of two major complications in a relatively compact case underscores its appeal within the realm of high-end watch collecting.

Specifications

Caliber
CHR 27-70 Q
Case
platinum
Diameter
36mm
Dial
silver opaline
Water Resist.
30m
Crystal
Sapphire crystal

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JO
Joepny
May 2, 2018

Of course it would be fantastic if it becomes more distinguished over time. I think it is a very well-executed watch and it wears comfortably and it is very practical with the dual complication. I feel that it might make sense to get both the A references now that they are discontinued. (Well, technically 3 A including the LCFC one but that is impossible except for the lucky 2 guys on PPro.)

AM
amanico
May 2, 2018

Special, with a cool combination of complications, with a young, fresh and daring look, short life... It has all to become a legend, while it already is one of the coolest Patek. Best, Nicolas

PO
Poky
May 3, 2018

At least not in the UK. There are many of the white dials available at considerable discounts. My own AD has two right now and cannot shift them. For some reason they have not been well received here. I like the watch but not keen on the bracelet, a personal taste of course. I don’t think the steel or discontinuation will necessarily have an affect on the price in the future but who knows.

KE
keks
May 3, 2018

Hype is all in the Nautilus for now... I agree the bracelet is what turns most away. It is a great watch regardless!

GR
Greenwatch
May 3, 2018

I was hoping Patek would release just the chronograph complication version without the AC in an automatic movement similar to the 5980a. That would be a home run. Now that the 5980a has been discontinued, hopefully a replacement for this reference 5980 would be introduced soon. Personally I don’t need the extra complication of the AC and the PR. My Perpetual Calendar will do the trick. Perhaps the above is the reason why the 5960a is not as popular as the Nautilus 5980. But I may be mistaken.

TH
Thy1r
May 3, 2018

This is why I ordered the black dial to complete the duo

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