Patek Philippe 5960P, 5960/1A, 5905P Comparison
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Patek Philippe 5960P, 5960/1A, 5905P Comparison

By amanico · Jul 2, 2015 · 23 replies
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amanico provides a comparative analysis of three significant Patek Philippe annual calendar chronographs: the new 5905P, the classic 5960P, and the sporty 5960/1A. He offers a detailed critique of design evolution, highlighting personal preferences for specific aesthetic elements across these references.

Honors to the novelty, the new Patek automatic Chronograph Annual Calendar, the 5905 P:

 

The case is 1, 5 mm bigger than the 5960, the dial has been redesigned, the hands are differently shaped, as well as the pushers.

While I love, and prefer the pushers on the 5905 P, this is, to tell the truth, the only detail I prefer on this new reference. I love these rectangular pushers a lot and find that they go very well with the case.

I am more comfortable with the former case, with the former dial, and with the former hands.

The monocounter of the 5960 has more character, is less " common " in its design than the new one, too.

I find the 5960 more refined.

Now, let's go back to the 5960...

One version I always loved, despite the fact that I am far from being mad with the annual clanedar complication, is the 5960P. Especially with its ruthenium dial.

The Watch is top class, with a touch of sportivity. Very inspired and inspiring. The Monocounter was original, fresh, in the chrono world, at that time ( 2006 ) and was shared with the Nautilus 5980.

 

 

Less elegant, more " cool " and sporty, the 5960 1 A...

The white dial is less refined, but doesn't lack charm. It just plays a different card. A kind of Paul Nemwan 5960, if you allow me this comparison taken from the vintage Rolex world.

 

 

Now, I have a huge problem, with this " 1 A "... The Bracelet.

In my opinion, and according to my taste, the bracelet is not at its place, with such a Watch. It breaks the coolness, it is too mannered, it is old looking, while the dial is modern, it is just strange.

Strange, too, that Patek didn't go for a strap option.

Let's play a bit with our imagination, and let's try to find a good strap for this " 1 A "...

A racing strap would have worked very well. Perforated, or with big holes, like those I found on the net?

 

White or red stitching?

That would have some serious coolness.

Or a more modern one, like the one of the 5004 Watch Only?

 

I am not far from thinking that IF you have the possibility to remove the steel bracelet and to change it for a perforated leather one, you are close to perfection in terms onf coolness.

Now the question is to know if it is possible to do such a change...

Best,

Nicolas

About the IWC Ref. 5004

The Patek Philippe reference 5004 is a highly regarded grand complication, combining a split-seconds chronograph with a perpetual calendar. This reference was a significant offering in Patek Philippe's catalog, representing a sophisticated blend of technical mastery and traditional watchmaking. It was produced in limited numbers, making it a sought-after piece among collectors of complex horology.

The watch features a 36mm platinum case with a thickness of 15mm, housing the manual-winding caliber CHR 27-70 Q. This movement provides a power reserve of 60 hours and is protected by a sapphire crystal. The dial is presented in silver opaline, offering clear legibility for its numerous indications. The case is water-resistant to 30 meters.

As a split-seconds perpetual calendar, the reference 5004 appeals to collectors who value both intricate mechanical solutions and classical design. Its production run from 1996 to 2012 saw various dial and case material iterations, though platinum was a prominent offering. The integration of two major complications in a relatively compact case underscores its appeal within the realm of high-end watch collecting.

Specifications

Caliber
CHR 27-70 Q
Case
platinum
Diameter
36mm
Dial
silver opaline
Water Resist.
30m
Crystal
Sapphire crystal

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Park
Jul 2, 2015

Nicholas, Thank you for posting the lovely photos and your opinions, with which I almost entirely agree. We differ only on whether the grey dial 5960P beats the blue or black, a matter of taste to be sure. You are more certain in your taste than I, as I love them all and enjoy the blue the most. To me the great mystery is why on earth they omitted the chronograph hour hand. I believe the 5960 and 5980 are the only references in Patek history that have included a 12-hour chronograph that could be

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dr.kol
Jul 2, 2015

And I also have a solution... However, it takes some time to implement. I bought the watch yesterday and the needed parts are ordered. I must admit that the looks of the bracelet don't turn me on. At the same time I must say that it is the most comfortable bracelet I have ever handled or had on my wrist. Your strap proposal made me to smile. The ordered strap is very close. I'll show the watch when the project is ready. Best, Kari

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amanico
Jul 2, 2015

I love timing my trips by car. And I am lost after a while if the Chrono doesn't have the hour hand. And I well remember that it is an important point for you, as you mention it for years. I remember one of our discussions in Paris, about that matter, too! ;) Best, Park. Nicolas

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dr.kol
Jul 3, 2015

getting some help from friends. Best Kari

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Mark in Paris
Jul 3, 2015

It is as usual difficult to know but it seems the 5905 is a mix of the 5960 and 5205 of course but there is still a 5960 reference in the catalogue (is it the last one I don't know). We often have discussions about "why did they make this watch or that one wider" etc... But I was told that there is a real demand for wider case sizes. Hence, I understand and find good we can have smaller and bigger watches in the catalogue. They are just not aiming at the same target. I agree it is more sporty th

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Fricks
Jul 3, 2015

hi Mark, My 2 cents on this issue, 5960A was a new thing in Patek catalogue, daily version, automatic, more affordable, slightly less complicated than the 5970. It felt like a friendly approach of the 5970, entry level for higher complication, and targeting a wider audience. The design was thought from scratch ( almost ), keeping in mind the basic, mixing traditional and modern. 5905 is the replacement even if there is still the 5960A in the catalogue. In the sense of the nature of the watch. Th

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