Patek Philippe 5270G and 5170G Comparison
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Patek Philippe 5270G and 5170G Comparison

By Mark in Paris · Nov 13, 2014 · 29 replies
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Mark in Paris offers a thoughtful comparison of Patek Philippe's perpetual calendar chronographs, specifically the 5270G (white and blue dials) and the 5170G, against their predecessors like the 3970 and 5970. His reflections encourage readers to consider how perceptions of new models evolve over time, challenging immediate judgments.

I've been lurking near the PC Chrono iconic Pateks lately and trying to discover what attracts me in a 3970, in a 5970 (and 5070) as in the last 5270G white (ref 013) and blue dial (ref 014) (and the 5170G).

It is natural that watch fans usually prefer older models they could get used to, seeing them over a long period of time. This implies that many novelties have had a difficult time when launched (for instance the 5070 and 5970).

At that time 5970 was a major change in style compared to the 1518 but also to the 3970's pushers and proportions. I must say it was even more obvious with the chrono-only models as 5070 was a significant change in styling compared to 130/530/591/1579. The 5170 is, in that matter, a come-back to the original look.

This to say that we are now very used to looking at the 5970/5070 layout and that significant changes applied to the last versions is more difficult to accept.

We need to leave time to these novelties to really conclude about the "legitimacy". We certainly are incline to judge them more severly today than we will in 10 years from now.

Adding the change in movement design and the subject is even more difficult to clarify.

I'm one of those who trully love the 5070/5970 but who also likes the new generation 5170/5270. But not all versions... as many of you I guess.

I've been reading very much these last weeks about them, considering the movement finish (Lemania vs in-house), its size, the significant mechanical improvements, the fact that the whole watch is now being developped by Patek with its own engineers, the dial's layout, symetry, colors etc ....



I don't want to go too deeply into my thoughts and reflexions but I came to discover I finally really like the 5170G, so classic (fashion hazard-proof), very elegant, perfectly sized, wonderfully engined, nice dial sandblasted decoration, pushers comfort. A trip back to the original Patek chronos.

I didn't like the first 5270G as I have a problem with these metalic brushed dials (completly subjective reflex of course). But I must say the 013 (white) and 014 (blue) are really growing on me.

The little holes for the day/night and leap years indications have been seen before on Pateks and, watches in hand, the 6 o'clock "chin" is really less obvious: first, because the watch is much smaller than all the macro shots we have available on the net and this forum and secondly, because the dial is so balanced and finely decorated that the "chin" is well integrated.

Sometime reading from watch fans make some little flaws that you wouldn't have noticed, be overestimated.

The 5270's style is definitely cleaner and more modern than the  5970's (here I compared grey gold vs grey gold) but not less interesting.


Remember the "fresh" welcome for the 5070 and the 5970 at the time, we need also time to fairly judge these young descendants.

I'll finish with some pictures I took of the blue 5270G (taken a while ago), the 5270G white (taken recently together with the 5170G). I couldn't hold them at the same time, but the blue 5270's color seems very close to the 5070P's dial (i.e. not as dark as on pictures).

Cheers, Mark




































This message has been edited by Mark in Paris on 2014-11-13 06:36:04

About the Patek Philippe Ref. 5070

The Patek Philippe reference 5070, part of the Complications collection, marked a significant return for the brand to large-format chronographs. Introduced in 1998, it was the first non-perpetual calendar chronograph produced by Patek Philippe since the reference 1463, which ceased production in the early 1960s. Its design drew inspiration from a unique Patek Philippe aviator's watch from the 1940s, characterized by its prominent case and dial layout, yet reinterpreted for a contemporary audience. This reference established a new aesthetic direction for the brand's chronographs, moving towards more substantial case dimensions.

The watch features a 42mm case, initially offered in 18k yellow gold, housing the manual-winding Caliber CH 27-70. This movement, based on a Nouvelle Lémania ébauche, was extensively finished and modified by Patek Philippe, meeting the brand's stringent quality standards. It provides a power reserve of approximately 55 hours. The dial, in this specific configuration, is black, protected by a sapphire crystal, and the watch is water-resistant to 30 meters. The fixed bezel frames the dial, and the watch is typically fitted with a leather strap.

Reference 5070 appeals to collectors interested in modern Patek Philippe chronographs that combine traditional movement architecture with a more contemporary case size. Its limited production run and the subsequent introduction of variants in other precious metals contribute to its collectibility. The reference represents a distinct period in Patek Philippe's chronograph history, bridging vintage inspirations with a new era of larger watch designs.

Specifications

Caliber
Cal.CH 27-70
Case
18k yellow gold
Diameter
42mm
Dial
black
Water Resist.
30m
Crystal
Sapphire

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Hiëronymus
Nov 13, 2014

the time one needs to appreciate the 5270 and 5170. Although, to achieve bigger day and month indications / apertures the subdials had to be placed lower on the dial. As form follows function for the 5270 it doesn't for the 5170. My stronger feelings for how it should be, subdials between 9 and 3 o'clock, find that hard to accept. Or maybe how it used to be? So, I tend to agree with you very carefully. In time we will learn :-) Are you an early adapter?

DR
drg
Nov 13, 2014

Hello! Mostly a lurker, rarely a poster, only when I aquired my initial Patek. My first was an Aquanaut 5167. About 2 years ago I purchased my second Patek - Nautilus 5712. Absolutely loved both of them. I recently was in Vegas and a chance to play with the 5170g. Wow, I fell in love again. So much so, that I will purchasing one this upcoming Wednesday from my local AD. Needless to say I am very excited! I will post some pics/impressions when I have a chance. Unfortunately, I won't be able to pl

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Mark in Paris
Nov 14, 2014

and you say it right, everyone will need more or less time to judge these pieces. We only have to remain open minded and I guess many will see their opinion evolve (or not). Thanks for bringing your balanced opinion :) Cheers, Mark

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Mark in Paris
Nov 14, 2014

Congratulations, it's a fantastic choice imho. It has a beautiful and classic shape, a lovely dial finishing (which is not true for every Patek I could handle), and a fantastic movement. We'll be delighted to see your pictures once you get it. Cheers.

SM
small-luxury-world
Nov 14, 2014

best on your wrist and matches your style (at least what I have seen here on pictures over the time). Second, I still try to understand what changed your mind/taste recently and will have to think about it once more. Nothing is wrong with changes, but not all of them are good - in the long run ;-) Cordially, Oliver

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Mark in Paris
Nov 14, 2014

One thing I've learned about watches is that I need to take time to maturate what I could have discovered, appreciated and handled in my hands. My tastes evolve, I have a really soft spot for Independants (these are the watches I started with, together with Lange) but as time goes by I also continue on my way and have a look at what I don't know; Patek, its history and legacy are a part of that. I don't look at the same things in an indy watch and in a classic brand like Patek. One doesn't neces

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