Patek Philippe 5270G and 5170G Comparison
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Patek Philippe 5270G and 5170G Comparison

By Mark in Paris · Nov 13, 2014 · 29 replies
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Mark in Paris offers a thoughtful comparison of Patek Philippe's perpetual calendar chronographs, specifically the 5270G (white and blue dials) and the 5170G, against their predecessors like the 3970 and 5970. His reflections encourage readers to consider how perceptions of new models evolve over time, challenging immediate judgments.

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I've been lurking near the PC Chrono iconic Pateks lately and trying to discover what attracts me in a 3970, in a 5970 (and 5070) as in the last 5270G white (ref 013) and blue dial (ref 014) (and the 5170G).

It is natural that watch fans usually prefer older models they could get used to, seeing them over a long period of time. This implies that many novelties have had a difficult time when launched (for instance the 5070 and 5970).

At that time 5970 was a major change in style compared to the 1518 but also to the 3970's pushers and proportions. I must say it was even more obvious with the chrono-only models as 5070 was a significant change in styling compared to 130/530/591/1579. The 5170 is, in that matter, a come-back to the original look.

This to say that we are now very used to looking at the 5970/5070 layout and that significant changes applied to the last versions is more difficult to accept.

We need to leave time to these novelties to really conclude about the "legitimacy". We certainly are incline to judge them more severly today than we will in 10 years from now.

Adding the change in movement design and the subject is even more difficult to clarify.

I'm one of those who trully love the 5070/5970 but who also likes the new generation 5170/5270. But not all versions... as many of you I guess.

I've been reading very much these last weeks about them, considering the movement finish (Lemania vs in-house), its size, the significant mechanical improvements, the fact that the whole watch is now being developped by Patek with its own engineers, the dial's layout, symetry, colors etc ....



I don't want to go too deeply into my thoughts and reflexions but I came to discover I finally really like the 5170G, so classic (fashion hazard-proof), very elegant, perfectly sized, wonderfully engined, nice dial sandblasted decoration, pushers comfort. A trip back to the original Patek chronos.

I didn't like the first 5270G as I have a problem with these metalic brushed dials (completly subjective reflex of course). But I must say the 013 (white) and 014 (blue) are really growing on me.

The little holes for the day/night and leap years indications have been seen before on Pateks and, watches in hand, the 6 o'clock "chin" is really less obvious: first, because the watch is much smaller than all the macro shots we have available on the net and this forum and secondly, because the dial is so balanced and finely decorated that the "chin" is well integrated.

Sometime reading from watch fans make some little flaws that you wouldn't have noticed, be overestimated.

The 5270's style is definitely cleaner and more modern than the  5970's (here I compared grey gold vs grey gold) but not less interesting.


Remember the "fresh" welcome for the 5070 and the 5970 at the time, we need also time to fairly judge these young descendants.

I'll finish with some pictures I took of the blue 5270G (taken a while ago), the 5270G white (taken recently together with the 5170G). I couldn't hold them at the same time, but the blue 5270's color seems very close to the 5070P's dial (i.e. not as dark as on pictures).

Cheers, Mark




































This message has been edited by Mark in Paris on 2014-11-13 06:36:04

About the Patek Philippe Grand Complications Ref. 1518

The Patek Philippe Reference 1518 holds a significant place in horological history as the world's first perpetual calendar chronograph produced in a series. Introduced in 1941, it established a foundational complication for the brand, preceding other notable perpetual calendar chronographs such as the 2499 and 3970. This reference is recognized for its pioneering role in combining these two complex mechanisms in a wristwatch.

This reference was primarily offered in yellow gold, with a limited number produced in rose gold and an even smaller quantity in stainless steel. The case typically measures 35mm in diameter, housing the manual-winding caliber 13''' Q. The movement features a column-wheel chronograph mechanism integrated with the perpetual calendar complication. The dial often presents with applied Arabic numerals or bâton indexes, and a tachymeter scale on the outer periphery.

For collectors, the 1518 represents a landmark Patek Philippe reference, highly sought after for its historical importance and rarity, particularly examples in alternative metals. Its design language and technical sophistication set a precedent for subsequent perpetual calendar chronograph models, making it a cornerstone for understanding the evolution of this complication within the brand's catalog.

Specifications

Caliber
13''' Q
Case
18k yellow gold
Diameter
35mm
Dial
Silver
Water Resist.
30m
Crystal
Hesalite

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HI
Hiëronymus
Nov 13, 2014
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about

the time one needs to appreciate the 5270 and 5170. Although, to achieve bigger day and month indications / apertures the subdials had to be placed lower on the dial. As form follows function for the 5270 it doesn't for the 5170. My stronger feelings for how it should be, subdials between 9 and 3 o'clock, find that hard to accept. Or maybe how it used to be? So, I tend to agree with you very carefully. In time we will learn :-) Are you an early adapter?

MA
Mark in Paris
Nov 14, 2014
It is quite subjective indeed

and you say it right, everyone will need more or less time to judge these pieces. We only have to remain open minded and I guess many will see their opinion evolve (or not). Thanks for bringing your balanced opinion :) Cheers, Mark

DR
drg
Nov 13, 2014
5170g

Hello! Mostly a lurker, rarely a poster, only when I aquired my initial Patek. My first was an Aquanaut 5167. About 2 years ago I purchased my second Patek - Nautilus 5712. Absolutely loved both of them. I recently was in Vegas and a chance to play with the 5170g. Wow, I fell in love again. So much so, that I will purchasing one this upcoming Wednesday from my local AD. Needless to say I am very excited! I will post some pics/impressions when I have a chance. Unfortunately, I won't be able to pl

MA
Mark in Paris
Nov 14, 2014
Happy event incoming

Congratulations, it's a fantastic choice imho. It has a beautiful and classic shape, a lovely dial finishing (which is not true for every Patek I could handle), and a fantastic movement. We'll be delighted to see your pictures once you get it. Cheers.

SM
small-luxury-world
Nov 14, 2014
First of all, the blue dial looks ...

best on your wrist and matches your style (at least what I have seen here on pictures over the time). Second, I still try to understand what changed your mind/taste recently and will have to think about it once more. Nothing is wrong with changes, but not all of them are good - in the long run ;-) Cordially, Oliver

MA
Mark in Paris
Nov 14, 2014
You're right...

One thing I've learned about watches is that I need to take time to maturate what I could have discovered, appreciated and handled in my hands. My tastes evolve, I have a really soft spot for Independants (these are the watches I started with, together with Lange) but as time goes by I also continue on my way and have a look at what I don't know; Patek, its history and legacy are a part of that. I don't look at the same things in an indy watch and in a classic brand like Patek. One doesn't neces

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