Patek Philippe 5100J & 5100R Hands-On Review
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Patek Philippe 5100J & 5100R Hands-On Review

By quattro · Apr 11, 2025 · 36 replies
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Emmanuel, known as quattro on WatchProSite, offers a compelling hands-on review of the Patek Philippe ref. 5100 in both yellow and rose gold. His detailed comparison, enriched with personal impressions and high-quality photography, provides invaluable insights into this distinctive reference. This article distills community perspectives on the 5100's unique design, wearability, and enduring appeal, making a decade-old discussion relevant for today's collectors.

So, I've finally been able to see Patek Philippe's ref. 5100 in the metal, both in yellow and rose gold.

I first discovered the yellow gold variant.

Ref. 5100J-001

Watch by Patek Philippe, Patek Philip


My very first reaction was: this model feels much better than the original "manta ray" ref. 2554J, which I've been able to try on a few months ago and which, however nice, felt to me a little bit bland and dated:


Watch by Patek Philippe, gondolo, 2554, 2554j

Watch by Patek Philippe, Patek Philip


Because of the incredible reshaped "manta ray" case and because of the livelier dial and of the wonderful layout and rectangular shape of the 10-Days power reserve caliber 28-20/220, the ref. 5100 feels absolutely special


Watch by Patek Philippe, gondolo, 5100, 5100J

Watch by Patek Philippe, gondolo, 5100, 5100J

Watch by Patek Philippe, gondolo, 5100, 5100J


I was lucky to be able to compare it at the same time with the ref. 5124J, with its very nice caliber 25-21 REC PS, and there was no doubt for me that, as nice as the 5124J is, it can't really compare to the 5100J, which genuinely feels in a class of its own:


Watch by Patek Philippe, gondolo, 5124, 5124J

Watch by Patek Philippe, gondolo, 5124, 5124J


I was also very happy to see that, seen on the wrist from a distance (in a mirror), it looks quite nice:




Watch by Patek Philippe, gondolo, 5100, 5100J


So, is there anything I didn't like or didn't find ideal about this watch? Well, yes, two things:

1) The winding experience felt a bit disappointing to me for two reasons:
  • First, because the crown, being inserted into the right "wing" of the manta ray case, isn't easy to grab. The only way I could wind the watch not too uncomfortably was with my index finger rubbing the back of the crown, my thumb being more or less useless. 
  • Then, because the feeling given by the ratchet click isn't as delightful (I mean as distinctly and smoothly "clicky") as what I'm used to with my L.U.C. Quattro Spirit 25, which also has a long power reserve movement, or with the Vacheron Cornes de Vache (which is an absolute delight to wind).
2) The watch is also a bit thick and, as it is rectangular too, a shape which feels unusual to me, I kept asking myself if I would wear it as daily, as easily, and with as much pleasure as I do wear my "trio" of watches (LUC, Cornes de Vache and LF micro rotor):


Watch by Patek Philippe, gondolo, 5100, 5100J


The next day, I went to another watch dealer and was able to discover the rose gold version.


Ref. 5100R-001

As I've always loved the warm tones of rose gold, this variant felt very attractive: darker, warmer, almost like a "nocturne" version of the same watch:

Watch by Patek Philippe, gondolo, 5100

Watch by Patek Philippe, gondolo, 5100


But I didn't like the sunburst finishing of the grey dial of this variant as much as the matte grainy finishing of the off-white dial of the yellow gold version:











But, on the wrist in a mirror, it felt just as good as the yellow gold version:







And, of course, the caliber is every bit as beautiful too:





Conclusion

So, ultimately, how do I feel about the ref. 5100 and which variant do I prefer or would I consider?

For me, this watch is unique and feels exceptional. Its case design and caliber set it apart from any other. But I still have a doubt concerning the way I would feel, on a daily basis, about its thick rectangular shape: if I felt both financially and emotionally comfortable with the idea of wearing such an expensive watch only now and then for a special occasion, I wouldn't hesitate and would buy it instantly. But, for me, the only reason that can justify such an expensive purchase is the daily pleasure of enjoying it. I know it might sound paradoxical to some, but this daily pleasure is the only reason why I didn't find it completely unreasonable to buy each watch of my "trio" collection.

Finally, regarding the hesitation between yellow and rose gold, I think my heart leans more towards the yellow gold variant because I like the matte dial better and because yellow gold feels to me to be somehow "truer" to this watch's identity (if that makes sense). I know that the yellow gold variant is the most common one, but don't care about it (ref. 5100 was made in a limited edition of 3,000 pieces: 1,500 in yellow gold; 750 in rose gold; 450 in white gold & 300 in platinum).











Thanks for reading.

Best, Emmanuel

About the Patek Philippe Gondolo Ref. 5124

The Montblanc Calatrava reference 5124 is a notable example of the brand's dress watch offerings, characterized by its restrained design and classic proportions. This reference was produced during a period when Montblanc was expanding its horological presence, offering timepieces that emphasized traditional watchmaking aesthetics. It represents a more accessible entry point into the brand's mechanical watch collection, appealing to those seeking a refined and understated wristwatch without excessive complications.

Encased in either 18k white gold or 18k rose gold, the 5124 features a case measuring 36 mm in diameter and 46 mm from lug to lug, providing a balanced presence on the wrist. It is powered by the manual-wind caliber 25-21 REC PS, offering a power reserve of 44 hours. The watch is fitted with a sapphire crystal, ensuring clarity and scratch resistance, and has a water resistance rating of 30 meters, suitable for everyday wear.

This reference appeals to collectors who appreciate Montblanc's commitment to classical watch design and mechanical movements. Its availability in different precious metals and dial colors (silver or black) provides options for individual preference, while its lack of complications underscores its identity as a pure time-only dress watch. The 5124 fits within a lineage of watches that prioritize legibility and timeless style.

Specifications

Caliber
25-21 REC PS
Case
18k White Gold or 18k Rose Gold
Diameter
36 mm x 46 mm
Dial
Silver or Black
Water Resist.
30m
Crystal
Sapphire

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KM
KMII
Apr 11, 2025

Very helpful indeed! While I am a white metals type of person generally I really enjoyed your analysis of the two colored metal versions of the watch. And the shots were a great way of showing how it would likely wear - very helpful 🙏🏻

CM
cmclee
Apr 11, 2025

Here's my G for comparison.

GL
GLau
Apr 11, 2025

white dial is much more legible with a vintage feel ! J for me please 💪

AU
AuHavrePro
Apr 11, 2025

is exactly the same as yours, I simply don't collect anything, I either purchase something to use it or I don't buy it in the first place! With this unique PP, my preference is for the 'nocturne' rose gold version because the color combination really suits my aesthetic sensibility. With that said, it's such a idiosyncratic design that I would have to see it in person at some point to truly make up my mind about my affection for it.... Many thanks for compiling to many good pictures for us to loo

QU
quattro
Apr 12, 2025

Writing down my thoughts was helpful for me too! This watch is really tempting for me. Thanks for your comment and have a great weekend. Best, Emmanuel

QU
quattro
Apr 12, 2025

If I was into white metals, I would really consider it as it looks great in its own way! Have a great weekend. Best, Emmanuel

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