Patek Philippe 5140 vs 3940 Perpetual Calendar
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Patek Philippe 5140 vs 3940 Perpetual Calendar

By Chromatic Fugue · Nov 23, 2019 · 28 replies
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Chromatic Fugue initiated a compelling comparison between two Patek Philippe perpetual calendars, the Ref. 5140R and Ref. 3940P-001, challenging the prevailing collector preference. His personal preference for the 5140's concave bezel and substantial feel sparked a detailed community debate on aesthetics, wearability, and design nuances.

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Hi all โ€” I drove a few hours to see the 3940R on the right and, just for comparison, asked them to bring out the 5140P-001 on the left. Thereโ€™s obviously a price difference (the 5140 is much more), but the general consensus here and elsewhere is that collectors prefer the 3940 as a rule over the 5140 โ€” better fonts, case size appropriate for the movement, etc. Hereโ€™s the surprising thing: I much prefer the 5140: I like the concave (vs convex) bezel and the greater feeling of substantiality (although of course the platinum has something to do with that). Anyone else here have a similar experience when comparing these two references?



About the Patek Philippe Grand Complications Ref. 3940

The Patek Philippe Reference 3940 is a perpetual calendar wristwatch that was introduced in 1985, succeeding the Reference 3450. It is notable for its relatively slim profile and the integration of a perpetual calendar complication in a refined case. This reference became a cornerstone of Patek Philippe's complicated watch offerings for nearly two decades, establishing a design language for subsequent perpetual calendar models. It represents a significant period in the brand's modern history of complicated timepieces.

The watch features a 36mm case, typically crafted from yellow gold, rose gold, white gold, or platinum. It houses the self-winding Caliber 240 Q movement, which is known for its micro-rotor construction, contributing to the movement's thinness and allowing for a slimmer case profile. The movement provides a power reserve of approximately 48 hours. The dial is protected by a sapphire crystal, often accompanied by an interchangeable solid case back and a sapphire display back.

Reference 3940 is highly regarded by collectors for its classic proportions and the enduring appeal of its perpetual calendar display, which includes day, date, month, leap year cycle, and moon phases. It was produced in several series, with subtle variations in dial layout and typography, making early series examples particularly sought after. The reference is considered a benchmark for perpetual calendar watches and remains a significant piece for those appreciating traditional horological complications.

Specifications

Caliber
240 Q
Case
Yellow Gold, Rose Gold, White Gold, Platinum
Diameter
36mm
Dial
Silver, White, Opaline
Crystal
Sapphire

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Reuven Malter
Nov 23, 2019
Hmm unfortunately not.

There is no way for me not to be bothered bei these very awkward numerals. Thanks for the nice pic!

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amanico
Nov 23, 2019
You might have a different feeling after a while. The 5140 is " easier ", more evident, but the 3940 oozes class, and its distinction wins, in the medium / long term. [nt]

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Chromatic Fugue
Nov 23, 2019
thank you Nicolas and everyone here ....

Here are a few more photos of these two candidates on my very thin wrist: I'm starting to warm a bit to the 3940R. When I first saw it under the glare of an overhead light, and it looked a bit washed out, probably because the rose gold alloy has been fading since 1993, the date of manufacture. But in natural light it's a bit more charismatic. And as Nicolas says, it does grow on you...

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amanico
Nov 23, 2019
On your wrist, I would say the 3940. [nt]

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keks
Nov 25, 2019
Both superb

One more modern and sportier and the other slightly more classical and elegant.... depends on your lifestyle needs. I personally I see the arguments for the R but would wear the P more...

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hhwatchman
Sep 7, 2021
Concave vs. Convex Bezel

CF, Thank you for your post comparing the 5140 with the 3940. Why do you refer to the bezel of the 3940 as being convex? I have seen neither the 3940 nor the 5140 up close and personal but have always thought that both are concave. Or is the 5140 more concave than the 3940? I am seriously considering a 3940 and quite frankly like it more than the 5140 for two main reasons: (1) the size of the 3940 fits my wrist better; and (2) I do not like the squished date numerals of the 5140. I would greatly

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