Omega Speedmaster Caliber 861 vs. 321
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Omega Speedmaster Caliber 861 vs. 321

By FanFrancisco · Apr 3, 2010 · 22 replies
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FanFrancisco shares his journey into the world of Omega Speedmasters, detailing his acquisition of a Caliber 861 model. His post delves into the historical connection between Omega and Lemania, and he offers a side-by-side comparison of the Caliber 321 and 861 dials, highlighting subtle differences often overlooked by collectors. This exploration provides valuable insights for both new and seasoned Speedmaster enthusiasts.

very recently after reading and inspired by the Graham's post on roll call for Speedies, eventually got my first Speedmaster which is also my first mechanical chronograph (my first chronograph was a quartz watch bought many years ago, but i still keep it in the box).

this new catch for chrono has stimulated me the interest in history behind chronograph development, especially the journey of chronograph jointly developed by Omega and Lemania. following with line of these learnings, it caused me to hunt for 2 vintages watches made by Leminia.

because of limited and competing fund i have at the time of buying, i didn't go for 1st generation of Speedmaster (housed with Cal.321). instead, i went on for its 2nd generation and also successor of Speedmaster which housed with Cal.861. both of these movements were jointly developed by Omega and Leminia.

reading from some blogs written by Speedmaster collectors, they comments that actually Cal.861 is a more reliable movement than its brother of Cal.321 (i don't have watch with Cal.321, so i can't further add any comments on this aspect).

another reason why i went for Cal.861 partly because seemingly if looking at the dial of both models (i.e. Cal.321 vs Cal.861), they look like the same, expect the Omega logo is applied on the dial for the Cal.321 model, and for the Cal.861, the logo is printed.

however, it is not end of the story because i don't think they just have such small difference between two models. thus i went to look at both dials again and compared their dial pics side-by-side carefully, i found two more differences as follows (sorry if this is not a new found and in fact was mentioned by others previously):

1. for Cal.861 model, the shape in the end of second hand is blunt instead of pointed

2. for Cal.861 model, the letter "E" of TACHYMETER printed on outer bezel instead of È

anyway, just took some pics for my Speedmaster and also some pics for two Leminia watches to share with you here.

thanks for reading and wish you all a happy Easter.

stefan


































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amanico
Apr 3, 2010

Are really cool and helpful in my quest... Hey, the two tones dial on your Lemania is very nice! I love this watch. More pics? Best, Nicolas

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FanFrancisco
Apr 3, 2010

... i have seen similar dial in other watch companies, Omega, Longines. but most of them, the condition is not that good compared with this one. as requested, i attach some more pics that received from the seller. these pics include the movement and inside and caseback, very beautiful and robust timepiece indeed which is currently understated, i think! thanks, Nico!. stefan

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amanico
Apr 3, 2010

33 / 35 mm? A Beauty! The case back made me think about the FF Milspec, with all these writings. Best, Nicolas

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Bill Sohne
Apr 3, 2010

Hi Your manual wind time only is classic. If you compare the movement plates to that of a 321 you will see that they are indeed related !! What is the case diameter in mm of yours ? From the pics it looks to be about 32 -33 mm ? I am guessing the movement is 27mm in diameter. I have a Czech Air Force issued manual wind.... need to get it out and take some photos ( next week as I am on holiday ). Welcome to the world of Speedmasters... its all down hill from here !! Good Hunting Bill Sohne

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FanFrancisco
Apr 3, 2010

the size of this watch is 32mm. i also suspected the watch could be made for military use. i remember caseback of this kind was used for military watches made by Omega, especially those Cal.30T2 SC because of with additional space of inside caseback that was designing for center second wheel. stefan

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FanFrancisco
Apr 3, 2010

Bill, glad to hear from you. the size of the watch you asked is 32mm. look forward to seeing the pics of your watch. have a nice holiday back. stefan

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