F.P. Journe Centigraphe vs. Patek 5170, Lange Chronos

jlc.thomsen · 2018-07-27T09:11:18Z

Compare F.P. Journe Centigraphe Souverain with Patek Philippe 5170 and A. Lange & Söhne chronographs. Collectors discuss movement finishing, wrist fit, and value.

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Jlc.thomsen initiates a compelling discussion on high-end chronographs, weighing the merits of the F.P. Journe Centigraphe Souverain against established models from A. Lange & Söhne and Patek Philippe. His personal experience highlights the importance of wrist fit and tactile feedback, challenging conventional perceptions of luxury watchmaking. This post invites the community to share insights on these horological titans.

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I am thinking to ad a high end complication watch. Have been trying the Langematik perpetual PT. Also the Patek perpetuals and annual calendars, but I do find the push piece adjustment to be outdated horology on a new watch and just can’t get my head around it.
Somehow I went back to look at high end chronographs. Lange 1815 has been on the radar for a long time. That movement is incredible. But I have an issue with Lange cases as they seem not to integrate well with the wrist but sit on it. Ends up being clumsy for my taste-even at 10-11 mm.
However today I tried two chronos on. The Patek 5170J the first in house Patek movement-exiting to read about it; I thought I wanted to give it a go. I was sure it would surprise me in the metal.
But the watch left me indifferent. The pushers were not really smooth.That chocked me a bit. nothing like the Lange.
Completely different with the Centigraphe. The whole concept of measuring 100’ of a second with a 3 Hz movement. The depth and the finish of the watch.
This watch is stirring emotions-it’s an amazing peace of horology and it’s a pleasure to have on the wrist.
Journe seems to embrace the classic with the new that leaves me out of breath.
So for this next complication move I think I’m sticking to Journe. I think! It’s a big decision and that Lange movements does stir emotions.
What would you do?

Best,

Jens

About the F.P. Journe Centigraphe Souverain Ref. centigraphe

The F.P. Journe Centigraphe Souverain represents the brand s approach to chronograph complications within the Souverain collection. This reference features the specialized caliber 1506 movement and carries the distinctive Centigraphe designation, positioning it as F.P. Journe s chronograph offering in their manual-winding lineup.

The 40mm case is crafted from 18k rose gold and fitted with a sapphire crystal. The silver dial provides the backdrop for the chronograph functions. The manual-winding caliber 1506 movement delivers an 80-hour power reserve. Water resistance is rated to 30 meters, and the watch is completed with a leather strap. The fixed bezel maintains clean proportions around the case perimeter.

This reference appeals to collectors seeking F.P. Journe s interpretation of chronograph mechanics in precious metal construction. Production began in 2007, establishing this as part of the contemporary F.P. Journe catalog. The Centigraphe attracts those interested in independent watchmaking combined with traditional manual-winding chronograph complications, offering substantial power reserve within the 40mm rose gold case format.

Specifications

Caliber: 1506

Case: 18k Rose Gold

Diameter: 40 mm

Dial: Silver

Water Resist.: 30m

Crystal: Sapphire

Key Points from the Discussion

While a dedicated Lange fan, the Patek Philippe 5170R with its black dial, rose gold case, and Breguet numerals offers a distinct, sportier appeal compared to the 5170J, and should be considered.
The Jaeger-LeCoultre Duomètre Chronograph in platinum is a strong contender against Patek, Lange, and Journe, offering superior dial complexity, functionality, and movement technology, often overlooked due to brand elitism.
The Patek Philippe 5170, with the exception of the 5170P, is considered aesthetically uninspiring on the dial side, leading some collectors to prefer the A. Lange & Söhne Datograph or F.P. Journe Centigraphe.
The F.P. Journe Centigraphe Souverain, while robust for daily wear, may be prone to magnetization, causing it to run fast, though this is easily remedied with a demagnetizer.
F.P. Journe's dedication to customer service is evident in their willingness to upgrade movement bridges during servicing, demonstrating a commitment to continuous improvement and customer satisfaction.
The A. Lange & Söhne Datograph, despite its acclaimed movement, can suffer from poor wrist fit for some individuals, leading them to prefer the F.P. Journe Centigraphe for its wearability.

The Discussion

jlc.thomsen

Jul 27, 2018

Any reason why you wont bite on a FPJ? [nt]

Walter2

Jul 27, 2018

I love FPJ watches, but I think Lange is the better watch. A chronograph also is a question of unit numbers and evolution.

Lange has more and important background in the Richemont Group to make a reliable chronograph caliber.

jlc.thomsen

Jul 28, 2018

Yes you’re right. FPJ can have issues with their movement but all I’ve heard is that they always solve them to perfection. They are going to be around for a while so I wouldn’t worry about movement and service.

My problem withe Lange is mainly the cases and lugs. The watchmaking is +++++++++

Spangles - Dr. Tabby

Jul 27, 2018

With the FPJ, every time you look at the rose gold movement, you'll know you made the right decision. [nt]

jlc.thomsen

Jul 27, 2018

Yes it’s amazing! [nt]

Alex83

Jul 27, 2018

I would give another chance to Lange,

To diversify my collection, that mouvement surely deserves a second thought! The 1815 line is pretty wearable in my opinion, although agree Lange cases do not sit on the wrist as well Patek's. Have you though about other options? Other Independents or Vacheron, etc? Let us know your decision! Cheers, Alex

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