to me, the similarity is more than striking

Mar 08, 2005,08:08 AM
 

the following illustration IMHO speaks for itself.

Piguet 1185 on the left, JLC chronograph on the right



Given that the JLC chronograph project has been thought already 10 years ago (ie before JLC became under ownership of a group which is now a rival of Piguet/swatch group), is it reasonable in that case to assume that there has been some "technology transfer" at some point (and I would say that more than technology transfer, it is the entire chronograph design which might have been transferred)?

The Piguet 1185 has been launched in 1988 whereas the project of the predecessor of the current JLC 750, i.e. project for the 930 took place from 1995.

Therefore, I think one can reasonably wonder what is the filiation between these 2 calibres.


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New Chrono Movement Q

 
 By: Velociphile - No longer in the building : March 8th, 2005-05:05
Well I don't know about everyone else but, having an insatiable appetite for this watch stuff, I'm still hungry even after Jaw's feast of info about the new chrono! I don't want to appear ungrateful, but what seems to be have been missing is more detail a... 

The main question...

 
 By: J.Chong : March 9th, 2005-05:05

Out of the kitchen and into the dinner party >>

 
 By: Velociphile - No longer in the building : March 9th, 2005-07:07
This has already become another discussion going on in the kitchen of ThePurist?s dinner party, so, not being shy in coming forward, I?ll spill it out into the open again and come straight to the point on the forum! JLC has an undoubted historical pedigre... 

Time will tell........

 
 By: Velociphile - No longer in the building : March 10th, 2005-07:07
Alex, I take your point. However, if you send twenty engine makers off to make even a simple 4 cylinder 2 litre engine,you?d think they?d all come back looking somewhat similar ? well they don?t, not remotely (unless they secretly are! ? see below). Thank... 

Some pretty serious accusation are being made here or at least quite clearly implied.....

 
 By: Jaw : March 10th, 2005-08:08
and I shall monitor this thread with great interest without interference, at least for the moment. Let's see how mature us PuristS really are or will we easily fall prey to incitement?... Jaw

we'll try to behave

 
 By: clavi : March 10th, 2005-11:11
I don't see what has been pointed here as "serious accusations", but reasonable points which are in many readers minds (and quite cleverly and gently phrased by Velociphile I would say). My opinion is that the design and layout of the two movements have m... 

All of you are behaving well :-)

 
 By: Jaw : March 10th, 2005-02:14
This is of course a thread which I will revisit later quote :"...I see this everyday with my own industry and if I can draw a PARALLEL, the vehicle OEMs, Tier1s, and specialist subcontractors do various collaborations all the time let alone BLATANT CROSS ... 

FP1185 NOT a van!

 
 By: Velociphile - No longer in the building : March 11th, 2005-04:04

Production cost of FP1185 >>

 
 By: Velociphile - No longer in the building : March 11th, 2005-04:04

Jaw, you might be reading too much...

 
 By: J.Chong : March 15th, 2005-05:17
into Velociphile's posts. It's simply a case of "inquiring minds want to know" and I think there is enough passing similarity to the FP 1185 to arouse our curiosity. I think some of the questions were posed in a reasonable manner and a simple answer from ... 

Am I reading too much?

 
 By: Jaw : March 16th, 2005-02:02
"In situations like these, silence only perpetuates the questions and deepens the doubts" You seems to know what you are talking about, what are the questions? and what are your doubts? why just insinuate? why not become a consumer advocate and be a hero ... 

Re: Am I reading too much?

 
 By: J.Chong : March 16th, 2005-06:18
My knowledge of the inside developments at MJLC is very little. I'm not here to expose a conspiracy, to be a consumer advocate or hero. I'm here simply to learn about watches. The announcement of MJLC's modern chrono movement is of course special news. Ma... 

I hope you can do better

 
 By: Impay : March 17th, 2005-05:05
Quite honestly if Velociphile made an ARGUMENT, then it is he who should define his terms. Where did any such accusations start? I refer you to his "blog". WHERE on the blog or in subsequent statements are the terms of this argument defined? All I read we... 

Don't shoot the messenger......

 
 By: Velociphile - No longer in the building : March 17th, 2005-06:06
I wondered when this would surface.... Actually I was not the first to post or point out this issue. However, I may certainly be convicted of being the messenger - I refer to my "out of the kitchen post". I have to say I sympathise with J Chong?s view and... 

Cheers (nt)

 
 By: Impay : March 17th, 2005-06:06

Double cheers [nt]

 
 By: J.Chong : March 18th, 2005-04:16

Thanks, at least you have the guts to make the accusation...

 
 By: Jaw : March 28th, 2005-10:10
albeit a little toned down from the original insinuation. quote "...Then some people pointed out the similarity to the FP 1185. As a fan of MJLC, my first reaction was "no this can't be, MJLC is well known as a true manufacture and they won't rely on anot... 

Greatly looking forward to your conclusions (nt)

 
 By: Velociphile - No longer in the building : March 30th, 2005-01:13