Price increases for 2008?

Apr 20, 2008,20:03 PM
 

I agree with my good friend, Dominic, that it is refreshing to see someone at least mention the extraordinary price increases foisted on the watch buying public in 2008.  While any discussion of prices is severely limited by Purist's own restrictions, I'll do my best to respect them.  

There's a big difference between a collector and an enthusiast.  I'm first and foremost an enthusiast with respect to watches, not a collector.  I collect, among other things, original comic book art, vintage record (vinyl) albums, and presentation art knives.  The difference most relevant to this conversation has to do with future value.  Retail prices almost never drive my acquisition of art, knives, or vinyl.  That's because without exception my collectibles have increased in value over a reasonable amount of time.   Indeed, the current values of my art, knife, and vinyl collections have so far exceeded what I originally spent, I'm almost at a loss for words. 

Not so with my watches.  I buy watches primarily for their artistic and technical appeal.  I just love looking at them, wearing them, and discussing them.  But, let's face it, every single one of my watches probably lost between 25% and 50% of their retail value the moment I walked out of the store.  For many real collectors of watches, in contrast, I expect the opposite is true:  like my art, knife, and vinyl collections, their timepieces are now actually worth more than what they originally paid for them. 

If most watch buying aficionados are more like "enthusiast" Bill and less like "collector" Bill, than these whopping price increases should have an immediate, and even dramatic, impact on what we buy and how much we spend.   We know these watches (most of them, anyway) will lose value quickly, some precipitously.  If it was difficult to sell a used timepiece in the secondary market before, just imagine how much more difficult it will be if sellers start factoring in double digit price increases.   Will we now be willing to buy a pre-owned watch for the same amount as last year's brand-spanking new-in-the-box version?  I suspect not.

I was just reading elsewhere on the Purist forum about one watch manufacturer that unilaterally increased their entire model product line by 25%.  25%!  There is no reasonable justification for an across-the-board price increase of this magnitude, except for greed and/or incompetence.  I was interested in this brand.  I was hoping to pick something up a specific model this year.  No longer.  Personally, I think the manufacturers are playing with fire.  Every enthusiast, except for the most well-heeled among us, will be effected.  2008 will be - and here's my prediction - the first year in a long time to experience a downturn.  At least in the US market, which is either the first or second largest in the world.  I know I'll be buying less.  I wonder how many other enthusiasts think similarly?

A long rant, and thanks for listening if you made it this far...smile

bill


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Your impressions of BASEL/SIHH 2008?

 
 By: Horolographer : April 16th, 2008-18:22
Now that they much anticipated horological event of the year has ended, I thought about the trends and impressions of the new watches I have from the reports and images shared. It looks like there were several common themes from a few brands. First is the... 

Likewise...

 
 By: Rob : April 16th, 2008-18:52

Everybody's going upscale.

 
 By: mkvc : April 16th, 2008-20:54
I wasn't there personally, but it appears that every company has decided that whatever the customers were expected to spend before, now they should spend twice that. They are doing their best to present the upscaling as being based on improvements to qual... 

You are so right.

 
 By: ling5hk : April 17th, 2008-16:16

SIHH brands are marking time until......

 
 By: MTF : April 17th, 2008-02:55
the next SIHH with revised timings. SIHH has vowed to get each year's novelties out to the buying public within the same year of introduction i.e. while they are still novelties and also before December because 30% of annual sales happen in the 2 weeks be... 

Some impressions

 
 By: amanico : April 17th, 2008-03:17
As for Basel, I will make it short, as I wasn't there... Bu t we had a fantastic team who covered in a perfect way the event, so I have few ideas... I expected more from UN, and I'm a bit decieved with the only real new interesting watch they presented, t... 

Price...

 
 By: nickd : April 17th, 2008-07:56
Salut Nicolas, Price isn't a problem so long as there are people out there willing to pay it. I've no idea how many such people are out there and how big the market is. So long as the brands are selling I see no problem. They don't owe anyone the right to... 

No problemo, Nickd

 
 By: amanico : April 17th, 2008-09:50
I just think that it's sad if some true passionate can not anymore pay themselves a nice watch only because of an insane raise of price... As fpr the rules of the market, I agree with you.Manufcatures are working to get some profit, and that also have som... 

Hi Nicolas, IMHO, JLC's price is NOT fair.

 
 By: ling5hk : April 17th, 2008-16:27
It is merely RELATIVELY cheaper than others. Sorry if I sound a bit too harsh. This is not only my opinion. This is also the unanimous or 100% view of the collectors (not less than 20) whom I know. Yesterday evening, we were honoured to be invited by JLC ... 

I hear you, Ling, but expensive compared to what other watch?

 
 By: amanico : April 17th, 2008-21:17
Which is an Automatic Diver watch, with an In Hpouse movement, and alarm??? What are the TRUE contendants to the POlaris? How can you rate the price, and what are the factrs of the comparison? In an other way, making a re edition is sometimes by far more ... 

Hi Nicolas, I said JLC watches are relatively cheaper.

 
 By: mokling : April 17th, 2008-23:31
Certainly, they are not the most expensive watches by comparison but they also cannot be considered "cheap/fair" in any circumstances. The Mamovox Polaris is priced at approx. USD15k plus. It is not expensive? How difficult can it be to produce that watch... 

Clearly impressions differ but the one that touches the most nerves is PRICE inflation...

 
 By: Horolographer : April 17th, 2008-21:51
I was resistant to inflame the feeling here about prices but I wanted to put into perspective or reality check for watch brands - who ever is listening. In Singapore, we have the reputation of having the worlds most expensive cars. I can only think of one... 

couldnt agree

 
 By: DaMctosh : April 18th, 2008-09:21
more with you harry. price inflation is tremendous (and we're not taling about food and commodities here! ). i just saw the sinn u1000 chrono today and was shocked that it now costs more than US$6.5k list! jlc polaris msrp is about euro10k. i cant help bu... 

sorry but

 
 By: DaMctosh : April 18th, 2008-09:23