A view on the Jaeger-LeCoultre Vintage Diving Chronograph, The Shark.

Oct 17, 2011,05:33 AM
 





The first difficulty when we speak about the JLC Vintage Diving Chronograph is to know how to call it.

If we refer to the US or European catalogues, we'll see that it doesn't have the same name, indeed.

For the US Market, this Chronograph is called " Shark ":

Here, a scan of the '69 US Catalogue, featuring the " Shark " among some other beauties:



And here, the European Catalogue, showing the same Chronograph, with its 2 different bezels ( World Time or Minutes Indexes ).





Here, a picture of the " Vogue " from " La Grande Maison ", and its world time bezel:



And now, a picture of the Shark, which I found on the net ( don't know who to credit for, showing the traditional minutes indexes bezel ) :



A simpler solution is to call this Chronograph by its reference code: E 2643, as you won't be wrong, being precised that " Lecoultre " was used for the US Market, and Jaeger-LeCoultre on all the other markets.

That being said, let's have a closer look on this watch.

A big case, angular and sweet at the same time, a black dial with silver counters, 2 big Minute and Hour hands, a big crown, here are the elements of this very " macho " watch.

- The DIAL AND BEZEL:

Let's first speak about the bezel, whose one is very particular for a Diving watch, the World Time.



This World Time bezel is, like on the Memovox World Time, more indicative than useful.



If you want to know what hour it is in every part of the World, turn the bezel till your local time is in front of the hand hour, then you'll have the world time.

Why a World Time bezel on a Diving Watch, while a 60 minutes bezel should be THE natural one?

I must admit that I don't know the answer, but let's guess that when the '70ies were knocking at every one's door, things were not only axed on Utility.

Anyway, aesthetically speaking, this bezel is not an ugly detail on this watch, it makes it even bigger than it is, in real.

In fact, for the US models, there was also another bezel which was available, as written in the US Catalogue from '69: The 24 Hours.

I found a picture of it, but if you find or if you're offered such a Chrono, my advice would be to stay away from it:



It is written in the Catalogue that the Chrono Shark is available with these 3 bezels.

BUT, if you pay attention to the dial of this GMT, you'll see that it is much different than the dial of the " WT " or of the regular one.

The indexes are numbers, the 30 minutes subdial is looking like the one we see on the Type XX, bigger than the 2 other subdials, and there is a 24 Hours Hand...

How can we get a Shark with three different bezels, when the dials are not the same, when there is a 24 Hours Hand, and even the hands are different ???

To me, this Diving Chrono GMT as pictured above is a fake, something which has been confirmed by many authorities in the Vintage JLC world, and among them, Zaf Basha, who wrote:

" All these LeCoultre chronos with "extra" complications like GMT, triple date, etc, particularly with ones that has a Breguet "Type 20" styles dial are fake. These all came out of Germany at the same time about 10 years ago and are probably still being made as long as people are paying crazy prices for them!

It's a mine field out there. "

Anyway, let's go back to the dial of the regular Chrono.

As always ,the dial is one of the very important detail, on a watch.

Here, " La Grande Maison " played the card of the sportivity and legibility, with an undisputable presence and strenght.





At the contrary of the Jaeger 4 ATM Chrono, the indexes are luminous ( tritium ), on the Diving Chrono, contrasting with the matt black dial, as well as the hands, which are darkened at their end.

The darkened hands are almost echoing with the tachymeter, which is another funny and weird detail for a Diving Chronograph, but enhances the sportivity of the watch, and brings a surprising racing look.

You will also notice on this macro picture the circular finish on the 3 subdials:



A slightly domed plexy, flat on the top, is protecting the dial.

- THE CASE:

While at this moment, the watches had an average 36 / 37 mm case, the Diving Chronograph was considered as a big watch, with its generous 40 mm, generosity enhanced by a relatively important thickness ( circa 13 mm ).

Therefore, it looks even bigger than it is, in real.

The case, only available in stainless steel, is entirely polished, at the exception of the case back, which receives a satined finish.

There is no possible confusion between this Diving Chronograph and its cousin, the Jaeger 4 ATM, as the respective cases are different, even if they both are " Big Chronos ":





The lugs of the Ref E 2643 are much larger, squared and fatter than on the 4 ATM, as you can see from the pictures posted above.

And you will also notice that these lugs ( therefore, the case ) has been used by other brands, such as, for example, Breguet, with the Type XX from the Seventies:

Though, the distance between the lugs is exactly the same: 20 mm, and allowed the use of a Tropic or Leather strap ( European Catalogue ) and Stainless Steel Bracelet ( US Catalogue ).

Even the screw in case backs are different, on these 2 chronographs.

Here, the case back from the outside:



And now, from the inside, which shows the writings " Lecoultre - Swiss ", and the ref of the watch " E 2643 ".



Another interesting detail is the gridwork motif on the crown, which is familiar to any Polaris Lover ( or Super Compressor Case Fan ).



Now, a close up on the crown and lugs, which shows the case under its " bestiality ":



Jaeger-LeCoultre claims a Water Resistance of 120 meters on this model.

- THE MOVEMENT:

As previously said on the 4 ATM review, the movement used is the same, on this Diving Chronograph, a Valjoux R 72 whose JLC Ref is Cal 13 VZH, which beats at 18 000 Vibrations per Hour, shock protected and antimagnetic, which always surprised me as there is no soft iron dust cover to protect the movement from the magnetic fields...

Anyway, this is a very well known movement, reliable and accurate, which was used by many Manufactures for their Chronographs.

It is always nice to see such a column wheel Chronograph movement, which is not exceptionally finished, but really great looking:







- AN ANCESTER OF THE MODERN JLC DIVING CHRONOGRAPHS:

Almost 40 years after, JLC reintroduced in the catalogue a Diving Chrono.

First came the Master Compressor Diving Chronograph, with an ehanced water resistance to 1 000 meters, providing a date, and a pulsometer scale to the traditional bezel ( minute indexes ) in a big titanium grade 5 case ( 44 mm ) or in Rose Gold .



2009 saw the birth of the Navy SEALs Chrono, in titanium grade 5 or Rose Gold 46, 3 mm case adding the GMT function to the previous model, but no more pulsometric scale.



Obviously, these 2 last chronographs perpetuate the History, ( and please again, note that I'm not speaking about the Fake Shark GMT, but the one which comes only with a GMT bezel, as mentionned on the '69 US Catalogue ).

It is also interesting to notice that the MC Diving Chronograph and the MC Navy SEALs Chronograph both use some details from the past.

While the Ref E 2643 borrowed the crown of the Polaris, the 2 modern Chronographs take some clear inspiration from the same Cult Watch, if you pay attention to the shape of the indexes and nmubers...

Big, they are, as well as the E 2643 was for its era.



Functional, they all are, and sometimes, we find again some curious complications for a Diving watch, as the GMT or the World Time.

Anyway, the Ref E 2643 must be tested on the wrist, as well as the modern Chronos, to be fully appreciated.

A big presence, a great comfort, only pleasure!



Best to All.

Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2011-10-17 05:41:50 This message has been edited by amanico on 2011-10-20 10:06:52


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Thank you for sharing this unusual Chrono ...

 
 By: nilomis : October 17th, 2011-05:51
At least for me. Never had one of those in my hands and your pics shows this Chronograph in great detail. Is a shame that JLC does not do a re edition of a diver chrono around this size (40mm). Cheers

That is absolutely true, Nilo.

 
 By: amanico : October 17th, 2011-06:04
Maybe JLC will hear you? I would like to see a clean, sober Diving Chrono, indeed. How do we say? Fingers crossed? Best, Nicolas.

A very cool looking chrono IMO.

 
 By: fernando : October 17th, 2011-07:56
The busy bezel only adds to the character and the size is perfect for such a watch. You must feel very lucky to find one in such an excellent condition. Cheers fernando

Well, it is an old thing I have hidden for more than one year. ;)

 
 By: amanico : October 17th, 2011-08:09
I agree with you, the size is cool, the lugs, which look like a Civilian Type XX, are macho yet elegant, the dial is a classic, and the bezel, in this original configuration, is the cherry on the cake. A must have if you consider a Vintage JLC Diving them... 

HIdden from the world, from us, or the missus?

 
 By: cazalea : October 17th, 2011-09:21
I have hidden watches too, I just can't find them afterwards ... :-( Cazalea

Hidden from everybody...

 
 By: amanico : October 17th, 2011-09:29
I've been working on this watch for a review, then I've hidden it, and I wondered if it was not part of my stolen watches for a moment. Then I found it hidden in a friend's safe... Stupid me. Best, Nicolas.

So you are also hiding things, my friend.. Hmmm..

 
 By: hs111 : October 17th, 2011-11:46
.. good to know, and lucky us, that we got to see this interesting marvel now ! Cool and strong, with quite some pedigree - compelling, indeed ! Thx for lifting the veil, best, hs

Yes, from time to time, it happens that I hide some of them. ;)

 
 By: amanico : October 17th, 2011-11:54
If I remember well, I own it from 18 months, now... But I had to work on it, and to unveil some others. This is a very cool companion, indeed. As said, not the most beautiful, but not the less interesting, either. I will have to re do a post on the Vintag... 

Once again..another gem from our Nico!

 
 By: ocwatching : October 17th, 2011-08:16
very interesting that there is a world time but no 2nd GMT hand...the world timer bezel is almost too much for this otherwise somber Chrono-Diver... Love the circular finish on the sub-dials... Thank you and a great Monday morning read!

I wouldn't say it is a nice watch, BUT

 
 By: amanico : October 17th, 2011-09:32
It is, in my opinion, a very cool one, with a lot of charm, and a great presence on the wrist. I love it! And, as Vintage Diving watches is a thema which is very dear to me... Best, Phil, and thanks for your kind comments. Nicolas.

Love the name

 
 By: BluNotte : October 17th, 2011-09:33
Love the movement too! Perfect, no? You always brings delight to the eyes mon ami! A bientot Stephen

Merci beaucoup. If you start to fall in love with Valjoux Chrono movements...

 
 By: amanico : October 17th, 2011-09:34
You're just in danger, as there were many Vintage Chronos using this movement, from the famous Daytona to this JLC... A Pandora's box. Best, Nicolas.

I can see the trap just right ahead!

 
 By: BluNotte : October 17th, 2011-18:10
But luckily my tiny pockets prevents me from diving straight on for the bait! A bientot Stephen

Well, well .. That's what I call ..

 
 By: hs111 : October 17th, 2011-12:02
.. rubbing it in, the Vintage Chrono theme, - definitely for me, really stimulating ! Have to say, I like a lot the various effects the dial exhibits: different colors, hand's layout, the indices and well, actually I somehow like the WT-like indications o... 

Knowing you a bit, you will end with one of those...

 
 By: amanico : October 17th, 2011-12:56
Yes, hs, the cases are the same... Interesting, isn't it? Best, my friend. Nicolas.

Tribute or no tribute is that the question?

 
 By: grigo : October 17th, 2011-13:32
Nice watch in any event and great write up. Best regards, George

I would see something different, here.

 
 By: amanico : October 17th, 2011-14:02
Playing the Vintage card, but in a free style... I hope that the next Tribute won't be a Diving.... As many others, here. Time for G? Best, Nicolas.

I confirm he is merciless.

 
 By: grigo : October 17th, 2011-22:06
Is it not delicious though. I am going to be dreaming all day long now. Best regards, George

Hmmm, dreaming... also the luxury of the "Have-Not's"..

 
 By: hs111 : October 18th, 2011-01:58
.. or how does Puck, the mischievous elf say: "If we shadows have offended, Think but this, and all is mended, That you have but slumber'd here While these visions did appear... " Sounds promising for me, as well .. "G", -- better start saving, everybody,... 

What Geo?

 
 By: TdotBean : October 18th, 2011-03:43
Geography is not my favourite subject in school I prefer physics or mathematics. You? Best Tyler

Not Geographic... ;)

 
 By: amanico : October 18th, 2011-03:44

An article full of beauty and awe for an old chronograph

 
 By: timerider : October 17th, 2011-15:41
collector, thank you for the fun and inspiration. I find the world time bezel to actually be a classic and a bit of a bridge between the older world time watches and the more modern models. I really consider this to be a classic already and historically i... 

Not very useful for a Diving Chrono, but a certain charm, yes.

 
 By: amanico : October 18th, 2011-03:35
And to wear it is a cool experience. Thanks for your kind words, Tim. Best, Nicolas

I know it's...

 
 By: BDLJ : October 17th, 2011-16:34
..120m water-proof and has a bezel, but it is not really in the diving range. TO be blunt, even when new, you;d have to be foolish to dive with anything could flood when you knock the pushers....an I don't trust EPSA pushers.. The very very similar Enicar... 

I agree with you on the water resistance, Ben.

 
 By: amanico : October 18th, 2011-03:37
I wouldn't dive with this one, even if I was in the late Sixities and that I just bought it... As for the case back, I don't see what you mean, my friend. I didn't close it, because I had to take pics of the movement. Best, Nicolas.

The caseback has been heavily machined. [nt]

 
 By: BDLJ : October 18th, 2011-17:07
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Aaah, I thought you were thinking that it was not the good one, or that it was

 
 By: amanico : October 18th, 2011-21:57
Overpolished! Pheeewwww! Best, Nicolas;

Ummmm...

 
 By: BDLJ : October 18th, 2011-23:35
Actually, I do ...though not overpolished.... It looks to have been put in a lathe and machined to removed case back gouges. 1) the other EPSA chrono cases with slots instead of the tetradecagonal back are polished without the circular machining marks. 2)... 

So let me....

 
 By: BDLJ : October 21st, 2011-22:22
...understand. Machining everything off a caseback is ok? Where does 'modification' start or end? Personally, I don't care. As long as it does not try to pass itself off as original.

It is...

 
 By: BDLJ : October 23rd, 2011-03:04
...original. And *original+ on a watch of this age usually means lots of case marks from try to get the back off it. I am sure it has been machined (put in a lathe) to make it look new. That's all. Personally, I don't like it being done, but casebacks are... 

Ah, ok, I get your point, now.

 
 By: amanico : October 23rd, 2011-03:42
Will try to check with another one I know, to compare and will come back to you. Best, Nicolas.

OK but....

 
 By: BDLJ : October 23rd, 2011-16:20
...when even the cheapest vintage plated cases tend to have a polished SS caseback, what is the reason behind such a machined finish? The finish is more vulnerable to scratches, wear and corrosion. I've not seen any EPSAs without a polished back. Nevermin... 

Finally the post I have been waiting for a long time:-)

 
 By: TdotBean : October 17th, 2011-19:13
This is the impossibly cool chrono from JLC. At least to my eye. A huge presence on the wrist and I'm sure a pure joy to wear. I really like the 4 atm but the shark my friend is my love. I'm not really a chronograph lover but this is definitely one for th... 

I like these " Big Chronos " a lot, Tyler.

 
 By: amanico : October 18th, 2011-03:42
Presence on the wrist, comfortable, they are made to be worn, used and enjoyed. And in a Vintage JLC Diving collection, the Shark is a must. Not that this is the ideal diving watch you can rely on, but it existed, and is one of the many faces of the Manuf... 

Surely one day I'll end up with one.

 
 By: TdotBean : October 18th, 2011-05:00
Man! I start to sound like you. Seriously this is the chrono that take my heart away. More than 2 years now... I'm hopeful though. I got to earn my stripe and get one myself. Thanks for the comment. I'll do my own homework. Best Tyler

You know where to find one. You saw one when you were in Paris. ;)

 
 By: amanico : October 18th, 2011-06:46
This message has been edited by amanico on 2011-10-18 06:46:48

Serious!

 
 By: TdotBean : October 18th, 2011-07:03
The one with the worldtime bezel? I thought that's a 4 ATM. Please pm the contacts. I forgot to take a card. Best Tyler

NICE I like it...

 
 By: EdwardL : October 17th, 2011-23:47
And it's vintage, can't resist. I'm a big fan of these valjour manual calibers. Thanks for a very pleasant read and the advice on the Gmt version. Best Ed

Thanks a lot for this presentation

 
 By: foversta : October 18th, 2011-13:25
I really like this watch thanks to its 3 rows bezel. I regret not to see this kind of bezel now, they all have two rows. It is a watch with a lot of character. Fx

These are the old looking WT bezels, Fx.

 
 By: amanico : October 18th, 2011-13:28
Busy, but a kind of witness of another era... Best, Nicolas.

That is one cool classic chrono!

 
 By: Davo : October 18th, 2011-14:56
Thanks and well done for the great post, Nic!

Thank you so much for the nice words, Davo. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 18th, 2011-21:55
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Surprisingly I have never embarked on the 'chronos' thema...

 
 By: Clavi : October 19th, 2011-16:16
I have never really embarked on the JLC Chronographs series as a collecting thema. I don't really know why. Maybe it has to do with the fact that they were non in-house, or maybe because I never really crossed a good one in my early days of collecting tha... 

I have to say that for me too, Vintage JLC Chronos is not my favourite thema.

 
 By: amanico : October 19th, 2011-22:34
But I'm very happy with those I already own. The 4 ATM and the Shark were surprisinlgy big for the time, even if case started to get a bigger size. As fro the " GMT ", you can shout it: N. F. W! Best, Nicolas.

as always, very informative

 
 By: playtime : October 20th, 2011-18:25
just love the broad lugs on this one (as on your Breuget Type XX!), as well as the other features that you detailed. i always find your historical comparisons illuminating--they really add to the allure of present models. many thanks again for sharing you... 

Reminds me this one...

 
 By: DeVille : October 21st, 2011-01:26
Universal from 1963 with same movement - val72 - also a big one at Ø 40.9mm...  

This UG would be closer to the 4 ATM than to the Shark, indeed.

 
 By: amanico : October 21st, 2011-10:58
Superb specimen you have, here! Best. Nicolas.

Thank you for this great review, Nicolas!

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : October 23rd, 2011-13:04
Love the documents – not so much the complication. But as we all know how this story will end… Sooner or later – one or two might end up in my watch box..! Q? Which watch is it that you have cropped out of the scan..? Best, my friend Blomman...  

I didn't crop it, Blomman. t was sent to me by the Manufacture like this.

 
 By: amanico : October 23rd, 2011-13:21
I wondered the same thing. For a moment I thought it was the Pola 65, but the date doesn't correpond with this time. As for the Chrono, you will get one, it is unavoidable. If you're after a Polaris II, a MM Deep Sea, and a Dolfin, then you'll have to go ... 

Could it be Polaris 68..?

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : October 23rd, 2011-13:26
Another mystery… Well, I know this – but the Polaris II or the MM Deep Sea is first priority right now… Best Blomman

Are you sure..?

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : October 23rd, 2011-13:31
You only see the rotating part. They are pretty much the same..? Or? Best Blomman...  

Not necessary…

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : October 23rd, 2011-13:38
The bezel is turned. Look at the MM Deep Sea and the Dolphin. If you crop, they would look the same! Best Blomman

It would be logical, then that it is the Pola 68, as

 
 By: amanico : October 23rd, 2011-13:48
All 3 Diving watches are side by side... Difficult to say... Best, Nicolas.

The Shark, Barracuda and the Dolphin

 
 By: Ubik : October 25th, 2011-07:05
Sounds like a nice collection to have. As always Nico, great write up of this uncommon chrono.

And the Master Mariner Deep Sea, the DSAs, the Polarises, the Jaeger...

 
 By: amanico : October 25th, 2011-07:10
When I finish this part of my collection, it will be time for me to post a " family picture ". Best, my friend. Nicolas.

Me too! :)))

 
 By: amanico : October 25th, 2011-07:21