Hi Magnus

Feb 10, 2017,09:03 AM
 

A very worthy post on the current position of Zenith.  In the UK it seems Zenith really doesn't seem to capture the imagination of the Omega and Rolex buying public like it should, with the heritage behind it (I could say the same for Longines, just look at their back catalogue compared to where they are in the market today). 

Zenith somehow just never seems to get to that critical mass where the general public, as well as watch nerds, feel it has the 'value' of those other 2 brands in particular.


I know it appeared universally hated but I really liked some watches from the Nataf era.  I have always coveted one of those Zero-G monsters you show that everyone else seemed to hate.   I have a mad 1000M defy extreme chronograph which I love to bits, as much for it's madness and a legacy of the 'more is better' era of watchmaking that affected that time, as having the El Primero in it.


As per your picture above of the range of Zenith, it has a little of the splatter gun effect of trying everything without hitting a visual style that can be said straight off to be 'Zenith'.  Compare with a range within Omega, say Speedmaster or Seamaster (and anything from Rolex) where you can spot the style at 50 paces.  Nearest I think Zenith have got to that recently are the Stratos models with a very clear bezel design showcasing the dial


As to where the company goes next, I agree they have a fantastic 'Chronometry' record but how does that sell to the marketplace in an effective way.  It would prove tricky with todays technology to be more chronometrically pure than many other brands


regards


Tim


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Challenges the new Zenith CEO needs to face - quickly and sustainably!

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : January 14th, 2017-08:19
With the departure of Aldo Magada and the arrival of (interim) CEO Jean-Claude Biver, I believe it is high time for us to consider the areas needing significant improvement. Zenith is a brand that almost exclusively relies on one single - albeit significa...  

Fantastic article Magnus

 
 By: Mario : January 14th, 2017-08:33
I am one of those people mentioned who would like to have and El Primero movement is the collection. But haven't taken a fancy to any Zenith watch is over a decade.

Valid point Magnus

 
 By: MCG (Markus) : January 14th, 2017-08:43
I support most of them. However, it contains a strategy for the next 15 years... ;-) The foremost most important point is: Zenith needs to make money again in order to reinvest it for the improvement of the general value proposition you described so well.... 

To Magnus:

 
 By: MCG (Markus) : January 14th, 2017-10:02
It seems that JCB does not want to change to much on the products side, and more on the communication side: Here a brandnew interview from NZZ, also regarding Zenith\'s strategy: It seems difficult to post links here...

Well, that interview was more about TAG and the Connected, less about Zenith...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : January 14th, 2017-10:08
thus we'll see what he has to say exclusively about our beloved brand! One thing is for sure: we live in exciting times as Zenith lovers! Best, Magnus

that's why I wrote - "its also about Zeniths strategy"...;-)

 
 By: MCG (Markus) : January 15th, 2017-01:42
The interview has no specific brand focus.

Great article Magnus. The beauty of Jean-Claude Biver?

 
 By: MichaelC : January 14th, 2017-08:47
He would be quite thrilled to sit down with you and discuss these points. Most CEOs would not, if I had to guess.

Sitting down with JCB... ;-) [nt]

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : January 14th, 2017-09:08

Confirmed ;-)! [nt]

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : January 14th, 2017-13:39

Awesome. I look forward to this interview!

 
 By: MichaelC : January 14th, 2017-14:43
JCB tells it straight and does not hold back.

Zenith's most famous watch is also its biggest weakness

 
 By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : January 14th, 2017-09:00
I agree If it were up to me, the ultra-top high end would not need to be continued. Marvellous watches without doubt, but not ‘Zeniths’. Zenith is part of LVMH group, so they might share resources and technologies. No reasons to "fight" each other, so ass... 

Perfect article! Very timely!

 
 By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : January 14th, 2017-09:44
Can you ask Mr. Biver to address these points!?

I will - certainly! [nt]

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : January 14th, 2017-10:02

I certainly agree with you on most points...

 
 By: JToddH : January 14th, 2017-10:08
As Zenith has certainly established its technical prowess, providing a modern "twist" to the El Primero would certainly be a step in the right direction, but one that mostly only established connoisseurs would appreciate. My pragmatic side concedes that m... 

This is a very interesting article Magnus

 
 By: Mark in Paris : January 14th, 2017-16:03
for an interesting moment of Zenith's life. First, I think there really is a difference between people going that deep into the watch world, reading about watches on the net, and the other type of clients which have never cared about going any further tha... 

One way could be to have something like...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : January 15th, 2017-02:53
The heritage The contemporary The avantgarde That way different clienteles could be reached, and each collection could have distinct, well-developed and defined features, but also cover different price points. A recognisable Zenith design code that could ... 

Great article, Magnus!

 
 By: syf : January 14th, 2017-19:44
To me there's so much under exploited quality and value in Zenith's current catalogue that marketing strategy and repositioning of the brand will certainly help greatly. I hope we see a new Zenith emerge, and the idea of a totally new evolution of the El ... 

Not much to add

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : January 15th, 2017-00:16
This is so true Zenith has probably on off the most interesting histories in watchmaking Maybe the most important. It does not have the prestige we find a for example patek but they don\'t need too Indeed, if you look at all the contests and prizes zenith... 

Zenith must energize the USA market.

 
 By: rdenney : January 16th, 2017-02:18
But it won\'t be easy. To sell well here: it must be a status symbol, it must be more widely available, it must be advertised, it must be written up in men\'s style and executive lifestyle magazines, and it must be reasonably serviceable. Nataf was the on...  

Good points

 
 By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : January 16th, 2017-10:04
Definite yes to a chronometric certification standard for performance and advertising.

A great review! Thanks!!

 
 By: gup502 : January 22nd, 2017-19:10
The brand "Zenith" to watch collectors represents reliability and accuracy, a fairly high percentage of components of an entire watch are manufactured in-house. Needless to say there is a rich history in horology but you are right about the brand. The fac... 

Hi Magnus

 
 By: 41northpole : February 10th, 2017-09:03
A very worthy post on the current position of Zenith. In the UK it seems Zenith really doesn't seem to capture the imagination of the Omega and Rolex buying public like it should, with the heritage behind it (I could say the same for Longines, just look a...