My mind is melting

Jul 14, 2021,07:44 AM

Man this is going to be a long post. Where do I start?

I guess I should give you gents a brief on the Lange issue I posted about previously, so I had bought many Langes from an AD in Bahrain, when the Odysseus was announced and I was ready to put down the cash I was told I would have to go through a boutique not my usual AD, so I contacted the boutique and their response was “they did know me” and I had to buy a watch to be eligible for a 2 year waiting list. I complained and made a fuss, to their credit they did go out of their way to apologize and explain the reasoning, but insisted I buy a watch still.

At the same time as this drama is occurring, I have been contemplating purchasing a world timer, I had narrowed down the possible targets to three watches, the Patek 5130g on bracelet, the Lange 1 Time Zone, and an absolutely dreamy limited edition Vacheron, number 10 out of 10 worldwide:

Platinum, Vacheron’s finest finishing standard, hand enamel dial, gorgeous 42.5mm case ( I am a large guy and this fits me perfectly)
Priced at 140k.

The Lange 1 and Patek pics for reference, taken from the internet:

I have to make a decision today, Lange boutique has only one available and the Vacheron is on hold for today only. I am racking my brain trying to decide but just can’t choose one, I stayed up until 4 AM unable to sleep with these three watches on my mind, when my wife asked why I haven’t slept I just told her I had too many espressos after dinner, if I made the mistake of informing her that I was contemplating yet another watch purchase she might punch me in the nads.

So I thought I might put down my thoughts here in an attempt to finalize the decision process, I am always keen to hear your thoughts.

Here are the pros and cons of each:

Vacheron pros:

The most beautiful
Very exclusive, unlikely to see another
Perfect size for me
Unique standout design yet remains classical
Handwork on the dial is mind boggling
Vacheron Cons:

Price is higher than others, this purchase would mean I would have to forego three watch purchases

Cities representing time zones not my choice. Not only did VC omit my home country they also choose the capital of an aggressive enemy state to represent the next time zone, an odd decision as that nation seems more interested in weapons of mass destruction and destabilizing the region than fine horology.

I won’t mention city names so as to not offend anyone, nothing against the nation itself, actually love their culture, food, and language. It’s their current government that I have an issue with.

Anyway, the choice of cities on this VC could not be less to my personal preferences. The only thing I would enjoy less than not seeing my capital when looking down at this masterpiece is seeing a capital that send rocket barrages my way next to my time zone. Maybe that’s silly to some but it would bug me smile

I hope that above comment does not offend or contradict forum rules, just being honest, I am sure geo-politics play a role in choosing cities and in customer selection processes in general. I will gladly edit if so.

I digress...

Patek pros:

Legendary, iconic model. Wonderful to round out the collection
Classic design that is instantly recognizable
Wonderful WG bracelet, I haven’t tried it on but from what I have hear nothing drapes on the wrist quite like a Patek platinum or WG bracelet.

Patek cons:
Size at 40mm is a bit small for me, I usually draw the line at 41 due to my large wrists but the bracelet should add presence.
Available slightly used from 2013

Lange 1 pros:
The most technically advanced
The most interesting dial layout
Lange finishing! Both polished and brushed!!!
Does not attract attention when traveling like a Patek or that stunning Vacheron
Price is very very fair.
Just updated in 2020 with many world firsts for a world time

A big plus for me, this is the first standard world time I have seen that includes my home capital as the time zone indicator. An important element that would make it easier for me to bond emotionally with the watch

Lange cons:
None i can identify.

There you have it, if you made it this far through my ramblings I applaud your resilience.

To sum it all up the Vacheron is the most striking and as close to a piece unique as I am likely to get, but I might have to work to get over a personal grump with the watch. The Lange and Patek both sing to me as well, and the purchase of the Lange would make me eligible for an Odysseus. I have decent history with both Vacheron and Patek but not Lange under their new strategy. This would also help in building purchase history for future desirable pieces.

On the personality front, the Vacheron is the most alien to me, not my usual style and in a good way. The Patek is the most comfortable decision and a safe bet, while the Lange feels like me, this would be usual decision.

Both the Patek and Lange would cost around 50k, allowing me to get the Odysseus and the AP offshore 43 I have been dreaming of plus some cash left over. The Vacheron is super unique though and a true handmade work of art, it might be best to get over the “issue” and obtain something that really does stand out forever.

This is the most difficult watch related decision I ever had to make!

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It seems that your preference goes for the Lange. But, price apart, I would go for the Vacheron, in your case, the size being a big issue for you. And what a beast!

 By: amanico : July 14th, 2021-08:12
To go further in my thoughts, the Patek is the reference, here, in terms of world time watches. But I prefer the smaller 5110, or the enamel version, the 5131. Now, the Vacheron is just exquisite. A bit big in my opinion, for such an exquisite watch, but ...  

Thank you for the insight

 By: afaleh : July 14th, 2021-09:26
I fully agree, the Vacheron is the finest of the three by some margin. It would be a step up in my collection and unchartered territory for me. Is it worth the (Lange 1 or Patek WT) PLUS an Odysseus and an Offshore 43 to me? It just might be. It certainly... 

I see

 By: afaleh : July 15th, 2021-06:20
I was not aware of the naming conventions. Thanks for that piece of info 🙏


 By: amanico : July 15th, 2021-06:32

Pretend the Vacheron just sold to someone else would you feel loss or recover quickly?

 By: emcquillan : July 15th, 2021-20:51
By your description I wonder if the named cities on the Vacheron would always bother you. Out of these three I would choose Patek and a close second would be the Lange. Your description seems to point towards the Lange with the added benefit of your futur... 

You certainly don't want a war to erupt on your wrist!

 By: VinnieD : July 14th, 2021-08:24
Go for the Patek would be my advice The Vacheron, despite its numerous qualities, is too close in looks to a certain Montblanc to me

No brainer

 By: xxn : July 14th, 2021-09:23

Buy the Lange TZ

 By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : July 14th, 2021-09:27
Then go for an Overseas Chrono instead of the Off shore. You might even save something to gift your wife, you'll get the excuse of a super deal you couldn't say no and you did for her!🤩🤩🤩


 By: Esharp : July 14th, 2021-10:01
Re the problems of city names. I keep harping on about this but why don’t the manufactures let us customise just the city ring??? I would let the VC go in favour of the Lange or Patek. This stuff is emotive - best to leave the offending city name for some... 


 By: blau : July 14th, 2021-10:32
The city names SHOULD be a joy. Last year, when travel of any kind was not happening, I took a lot of pleasure in using my 5110 to travel for me--I'd set it to Paris one day, Tokyo the next, Mexico the third. There are city choices on mine that disappoint... 

Esharp and Blau, you guys get me

 By: afaleh : July 14th, 2021-11:02
This whole hobby is an emotional one, and if one is to add a WT to their collection it should relate to them and any sense of national pride or association. Being able to customize the city ring is a wonderful idea! Now that you mention it it seems elemen... 

I actually recommend that you do exactly that.

 By: blau : July 14th, 2021-11:43
I sometimes have used the 'flip a coin' method, not to decide, but to figure out where my heart really lies. "Heads, VC. Tails, Lange." Flip. It comes up tails. You feel relieved: means you really want the Lange more. You feel annoyed: means you really wa... 

I would go Lange

 By: MiguelFlash : July 14th, 2021-12:41
I had the Overseas World Time and found the dial to be too busy. The Lange is beautiful. ...  

VC 1000%

 By: Gelato Monster : July 14th, 2021-12:50


 By: mdg : July 14th, 2021-14:33
...the finishing is beyond reproach and the big date is not only iconic but very useful day-to-day. Now what are you going to buy after this one? : )

Think of reversibility, stress test your unvoiced choice and follow your heart

 By: jp75 : July 14th, 2021-14:50
Congrats on the dilemma as it is a nice problem to have; all are nice watches in their own right. Trying to put myself in your shoes, herewith some thoughts I have sometimes been through of late: (1) is the choice reversible or irreversible: buying anothe... 

This is an easy answer for me but only YOU can make it. Aside from all the other considerations which will fall away after tone and the novelty of acquiring the watch, the real test should be . . .

 By: EdTonkin : July 14th, 2021-15:42
which of the three gives you the most instant pleasure when you look at it? Which is the most exciting to see at a brief glance? Which would you enjoy looking at most consistently on a daily basis? In my opinion, that’s what we are left with and that is a... 

Its a great (and lucky) dilemma to be facing

 By: walidk : July 14th, 2021-15:55
In the past, VC used to accommodate requests to change city rings (at least they advertised it when they first launched this piece as a way to keep up with changes in geo-politics; after all timezones in a number of countries are politically set). So what... 

Has been done already by

 By: wover : July 14th, 2021-20:54
Vogard. They made custom rings for some 500 Euro. Has to be said that those rings are outside the crystal and can be easily diy mounted (The picture show a standard ring - but cool if you're in Apia) ...  

I believe that was just for future DST changes,

 By: wover : July 14th, 2021-20:58
Replacing the ring under the crystal with a cumtom one, would take quite an operation

Thank you all for your insight

 By: afaleh : July 14th, 2021-19:00
I was pretty much useless today, I ended doing nothing but read about the three pieces and contemplate what would work for me best. The more I learned the harder the decision became. At the end it wasn’t the city naming that directed my decision but the c... 

I confess

 By: Weems@8 : July 14th, 2021-19:30
I see a lot WT’s coming bye in this thread. Not only the WT’s, as a high horology luxury watch brand Vacheron Constantin does it for me. Or the small exclusive independents. Patek and Lange, i think i mus see them in flesh to get a better look. On picture... 

A great but difficult position to be!

 By: Spencer Karrington : July 15th, 2021-20:37
I would pick the VC but I do get what you mean by the addition of that one city. Have you looked at some other brands? Like Bovet, breguet, debethune ulysses nardin, audemar piguet, arnold and son, anderson geneve, ming, glashuette original, daniel roth a...  


 By: Spencer Karrington : July 19th, 2021-18:36
I especially feel that the metropolis is an extremely underrated watch. Two really great watches that def need more love!


 By: Spencer Karrington : July 21st, 2021-21:40

Oh wow

 By: afaleh : July 16th, 2021-13:06
Thank you fir those pictures! The Astronomical from UN is unbelievable! That is going on my must have list! Thanks again for the post

The UN is really spectacular!

 By: Spencer Karrington : July 19th, 2021-18:37
They make some really cool stuff and even though they are part of a bigger brand, still feel that they try to keep up their independent spirit!

I really enjoy this PP. Proportion and bracelet are excellent.

 By: gazein : July 16th, 2021-14:30
You need to see these three watches in person to decide. ...  

That looks awesome!

 By: afaleh : July 16th, 2021-16:19
I love that bracelet! Congrats on owning an amazing piece

Afaleh, if you’re still up at this hour….

 By: mrds : July 22nd, 2021-10:20
Based on how you describe your tastes, I‘d rule out the 5130 (which I adore) due to its size. Between the VC and the Lange, let your heart decide. Reading you, I think you already did. Which one makes you sing the most, imagining it on your wrist? I don’t... 

Wow, I don't think you can go wrong with any of these choices. I will say that Lange and VC do make exceptional pieces that don't get the appreciation that Patek gets which is a shame. IMHO Lange and VC make more compelling pieces than Patek...

 By: holdemchamp1225 : July 22nd, 2021-20:43
depending on the reference. I do see your point and from my recent purchases I have come to find out that I prefer Lange, Independents, etc...more so than I have with Patek in the past. Again, it just comes down to reference and what you are looking for.