Issues with translation..

Jan 15, 2023,20:11 PM
 

I'm 100% certain that guilloche dials were not ever stamped. 


I love these watches more than any other and this was really what distinguished them from their competitors, at least up until 1955. The odd thing was for how short a span of time these watches were produced. The earliest appeared about 1945 and they ended in 1954.

As an aside, I owned what I called "The Marlon Watch", and I was the seller in 2009. I later heard that the buyer was the V&C museum. 


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Stamped and guilloché dials on mid-century Vacheron & Constantin watches.

 
 By: Volney. : January 13th, 2023-15:24
My previous post has been deleted; on our moderator Tick Talk's invitation, I give it a renewed try. Reading through the French edition of Franco Cologni's " Les secrets de Vacheron Constantin " (Flammarion, Paris, 2005), I noticed something rather strang...  

 
 By: Volney. : January 16th, 2023-18:34
This is an interesting technique.

Issues with translation..

 
 By: northcentralsouth : January 15th, 2023-20:11
I'm 100% certain that guilloche dials were not ever stamped. I love these watches more than any other and this was really what distinguished them from their competitors, at least up until 1955. The odd thing was for how short a span of time these watches ... 

 
 By: Volney. : January 16th, 2023-18:33
Those dials are indeed a particular favorite of mine!

 
 By: Volney. : January 16th, 2023-18:39
Back in 2009, I was but a kid: but I would have enjoyed handling the Marlon watch. The rupture introduced by the small second in the dial's pattern is especially enticing to me. In my appreciation of a watch's dial, texture is key, and mid-century Vachero... 

Indeed

 
 By: MZHammer : January 17th, 2023-18:32
The English version of the book also clearly states "silver dial stamped using the frappé technique with applied markers" while other entries on the page clearly reference guilloché . Very strange.

 
 By: Volney. : January 19th, 2023-01:23
We should inquire this further; as mentioned above, I am skeptical regarding the possibility of obtaining such results with stamping, especially in those years.

An observation

 
 By: Tick Talk : January 26th, 2023-16:03
while the possibility exists of an error in printing, I'm inclined to accept it as written. Frappé involves striking the dial between two dies and the design on the Ref 4733 can be accomplished with this technique by having the raised features impressed f...  

 
 By: Volney. : January 26th, 2023-16:50
Many thanks for having found this example of the watch mentioned by Cologni's book! Do you know who supplied those dials to Vacheron & Constantin in the 1940s-1950s?

possibly Stern Frères

 
 By: Tick Talk : January 26th, 2023-22:50
who have been documented as producing certain V&C dials from that period. VC also used Stern Créations more recently, following their purchase by Richemont in 2000. But, of course, there were many other dial manufactures back then.

 
 By: Volney. : January 26th, 2023-23:55
Knowledge to be consolidated, then!