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Chrono 4111 - rare find or frank?
Next week on Artcurial auction will be sold extremely rare V&C chronograph ref 4111. If I recall it right (article about VC chrono's was published on THL), only 3 pcs in YG were produced in late 30s-40.
This particular watch (lets call it watch Nr2) looks amazing with clear dial and hands and pretty good case. Nr 422590 / 267133
Pics (c) Artcurial
BUT...
Previously we saw the only one timepiece with this reference bearing Nr 42065 / 261747. Let's call it watch Nr1
And this watch was also featured in Lambelet/Coen book 'The world of Vacheron Constantin' issued in 1992.
Pics (c) Antiquorum and Davide Parmegiani
You dont need to be a detective to recognize differences in tachimeter scale, in 12 and 6 markers, in subdials etc. Watch Nr2 has different type of second hand and hand on subdial at 3.
Is it due to 3 years difference in production date (1937 and 1940)? Is it a later replacement? Was it made by VC or not?
Whats your opinion?
With best regards,
Serge
P.S. Dean's comments are welcome 
This message has been edited by Tick Talk on 2022-01-11 15:16:38
Chrono 4111 - rare find or frank?
Next week on Artcurial auction will be sold extremely rare V&C chronograph ref 4111 . If I recall it right (article about VC chrono's was published on THL), only 3 pcs in YG were produced in late 30s-40. This particular watch (lets call it watch Nr2) look...
Serge, I've edited out the pricing info
as posts dedicated to prices aren't allowed. But the discussion about the watch itself is fine and I'm pleased you've highlighted this piece. As you know, the more valuable a vintage V&C, the greater scrutiny one should apply. I wish more sellers woul...
Thank you, Dean
for correction, and sorry for price info, dont wanted to break the rules (( Fully agree with you, only Extract can mislead buyers (and auction house as well) and is not enough to check and evaluate a watch. Hopefully the watch is redialed at VC, but I dou...
My theory: it's both!
The same case design was used for both; first as photo reference 3768 in 1937 with cal. 295 based on a Martel ebauche, subsequently changed to model reference 4111 in 1939 when the photo reference system was discontinued. For the 4111, the movement was ch...
Thank you sharing so much.
The picture is not clear, but through careful observation, it seems that the small dial at 3:00 is still 45 minutes. I feel it is very difficult to find a vintage V&C which made before 1940, with a completely original dial.
Thank you for explanation!
Indeed the same case (it would be great to find pic of case back for both references to check the producer). Do you have it occasionally? )) Different ebauchee, I agree. Probably also pulsometer vs tachimeter scale? Only 6 pcs vs 3 pcs? Without photos and...
In 1939, after V&C and JLC cooperated in 1938
The stock movements before cooperation were still used. Therefore, on some models from 1939 to 1940, the style of dials and hands were close to the time before 1938.
since there are doubts...
I wouldn't bid/buy it. Extract des Archives doesn't prove authenticity.
Unfortunately not ((
Pity. I was inspired when found this watch for sale, because it could be the second known example for 4111... With best regards Serge
ah sorry..but you have some amazing watches
better miss the second known example than buying the XX known frankenwatch example
Hi. I cannot find the same photo on book 《THE WORLD OF VACHERON CONSTANTIN GENEVA》
Could you share the photo number on book ? Thank you very much.
I have German version,
it is page 252, top left You can see the same dial as on Antiquorum watches With best regards Serge ...
