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By The Numbers
May 17, 2012,08:39 AM
A couple of fleabay "creations" are worthy of close examination IMHO. First is a most outrageous fake steel wristwatch. While the crude dial might turn you away immediately, its worth looking at the hodge-podge of case and movement numbers. Note the two different movement numbers and mythical case number! Obviously the seller doesn't think much of Rolls Royce fans, and even less of V&C collectors :-(
This next pocket watch is much nicer in presentation, but more disappointing because the seller is an established vintage watch dealer. The lack of markings on the inside case back and a non-V&C 7-digit case number point to a re-cased movement. With the value of scrap gold being what it is, any steel-cased V&C watch requires extra scrutiny nowadays.
There are exceptions to the usual pattern of V&C case numbering when it comes to private label watches. When Verger Freres manufactured cases for their V&C collaborative pieces, they assigned their own case numbers. Private label watches with V&C-marked movements but cased locally also had non-V&C case numbers. Private label movements (including Merimont) would feature a code letter/number within the movement number and proper V&C markings under the dial plate. With these, the VC archives can at least confirm the movement number and when/where it was exported. Confusing, but part of the fun collecting vintage
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By The Numbers
By: Tick Talk : May 17th, 2012-08:39
A couple of fleabay "creations" are worthy of close examination IMHO. First is a most outrageous fake steel wristwatch. While the crude dial might turn you away immediately, its worth looking at the hodge-podge of case and movement numbers. Note the two d...
But Dean....
By: WHL : May 17th, 2012-11:21
didn't you know that all watches from a certain period had sandpaper scratch finishing on the Geneva waves to go with mismatched plate and bridge numbers, symbolic of man's imperfection in God's beautiful Creation? Bill
That's THE ONE!
By: respo : May 17th, 2012-20:00
Thanks, Joe. That will keep me up tonight.
Gorgeous
By: TeutonicCarFan : May 21st, 2012-17:23
The dial, the lugs, manual chrono - this is one of the nicest watches I have seen. Best, Kevin
Feel free to share
By: Tick Talk : May 17th, 2012-18:20
This thread is more of a pig party than a beauty pagent, but you can always start another thread ;-) I know some old pros find this stuff distressing but I get half a dozen emails a day from newbie V&C collectors asking about authenticity.
Really?
By: respo : May 17th, 2012-20:02
Your VC collection is amazing! I didn't realize you had a 1921, too. And that blue dial is one we don't see very often. Ok, off to dreamland. Thanks. respo
What a collection !
By: cisco : May 18th, 2012-00:02
If I could, and what a taste, the salmon chronograph, the excellence platinum Chrono Perpetual and the american ! Imho the "best" version every time. Congrats for this amazing collection of VC Francois
I'll play....
By: WHL : May 17th, 2012-20:11
Blasts from my past: I want another Overseas: Close up of the Malte Moonphase: Just because: I could do this all night long.... Bill VC Forum Moderator...
I am sure you could do that all night long
By: respo : May 18th, 2012-05:37
That perpetual skeleton is AMAZING! Nice to see the two generations of Overseas automatics side-by-side. I look forward to seeing your next Overseas. Perhaps in yet a different color than blue or white...? Love the background sky of the Malte Moonphase. I...
Understood
By: 4Js : May 18th, 2012-14:45
I'm working on this problem!!! Thanks Joe
You are right
By: 4Js : May 19th, 2012-15:39
This is a home run Joe
I bought that beauty back in 2003/2004.....
By: WHL : May 20th, 2012-18:58
Simply because I liked it. At that time I was not aware of the need to check case and movement serial numbers, so I have no idea if it is/was legit according to VC's archives, but it filled a desire for me to have a calibre 1019 auto in my collection, and...
Two questions
By: 4Js : May 20th, 2012-19:18
Pardon my naïveté but are movements and cases getting scammed? Assuming all is normal, why did you choose not to wear it? It is a phenomenal beauty. Easily worn suit and Saturday night dinner. Thanks, Joe
Unfortunately.....
By: WHL : May 20th, 2012-20:08
unscrupulous sellers are putting legit (and non-legit) parts together to make some convincing timepieces. If I saw this watch today I would make sure not only that the case and movement serial numbers matched, but also that the black dial, a somewhat rare...
Thanks
By: 4Js : May 21st, 2012-03:51
For the insight and feedback Best, Joe
Oh wow Bill,
By: 4Js : May 19th, 2012-15:37
These are all outta sight! Love em! Best, Joe
Thanks, Joe.....
By: WHL : May 20th, 2012-18:59
Your contributions to this thread are fantastic as well! Bill