Great post Joe, thank you!

Oct 01, 2018,16:19 PM
 

I like to talk a little bit more about the TWO LINER 14060M without Chronometer Certification, but the Chronmeter movement 3130.

First of all we find here the same, what we can find with the predecessor 5513 and 5512. Some Two Liners 5513 wear the movement of the 5512, but also without Chronometer Certification. History repeats itself.

The Two Liner 14060M was only produced for five years, this is aprox. the same short period as the Four Liner 14060M.  A lot of people prefer the Two Liner for the plain and clear dial without too many lettering. Personally i prefer the Four Liners, but this - may be -- is a question of the taste.

There are also differnt lettering on the Two Liner 14060 M, see this three pics from two of my 14060M, one from 2003 and the other one from 2004.










So, i am not sure, but may be in the future, the Two Liner 14060 M


FOUR  LINER

I think the most important thing is the Serial number on the rehaut the last year of production (2012). This is an absolut new way after so many years with the Serial number between the lugs. What we find here is a mix of prehystoric Rolex watches, like holes in the lugs and without SEL (14060 M never had SEL and was the last watch of Rolex without SEL) and the modern times with the RANDOM Number on the rehaut.

For me the 14060M in all configurations, Two or Four Liner, Chronometer or not, is one of the most collectibel watches from Rolex. Here ends the period of the old Submariner. The new 114060 with ceramic bezel and the terrible case is not the same watch. The difference between 5512/13 and 14060/M is minimal and Evolution. The difference between 14060/M and 114060 is Revolution.

I am sorry for the bad pic of the Random number, but my handy is not from Rolex.












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Identifying future classic Rolex from the 1990-2018 era - Part 5: Rolex Submariner 14060M - The "LGF" dial

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 1st, 2018-10:15
This is Part 5 of a series of articles aimed at identifying future classics from the 1990-2018 modern era. This month will focus on one of the "old school" modern Submariners - the 14060M Every now and then Rolex produce a truly cool watch. Usually it is ...  

Great post, Joe.

 
 By: zabreg1 Mr White : October 1st, 2018-10:56
Very interesting. This one is truly the most amazing of those you have written about. Really cool watch and story it tells. Keep them coming, I love reading these. I consider it educational.

with Rolex......

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 2nd, 2018-04:06
......its the detail, right? But 14060 is such a cool Submariner too

Hard to say.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 2nd, 2018-08:08
I would guess that its more about bending rules than deliberate action.

thanks for the great posts Baron !

 
 By: mahesh : October 1st, 2018-12:17
i enjoy reading & it is interesting to learn the details of each Rolex versions.... great material for new comers !! kudos !!! Best, mahesh.,

It's the damnedest thing...

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 1st, 2018-12:32
A few months ago I spoke with a very knowledgeable collector and he may, intentionally or not, have put me on the track of a, as you call them, LGF. And in all honesty I have to point out out that I have always stated that the Submariner is the most borin...  

Wear it! [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 1st, 2018-12:44

Nice. Wear. [nt]

 
 By: zabreg1 Mr White : October 1st, 2018-12:51

Lend it to Mr. Z, he will scratch it in no time

 
 By: crown comfort : October 1st, 2018-12:54
after that you can wear it with total peace of mind

He will probably manage to break the bracelet.

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 1st, 2018-13:10
Or at least get two decades of stretch in it within a day...

Hey!!! I guess you are right.

 
 By: zabreg1 Mr White : October 1st, 2018-21:37
Well, I always said I’m talented for 2 things. This being one, the other we shall not discuss here...

After giving it some thought....

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 1st, 2018-23:22
....Rolex might be the only brand who can endure the stress levels you lay upon straps/bracelets. You haven’t demolished a Rolex yet have you?

Operative word is yet.

 
 By: zabreg1 Mr White : October 2nd, 2018-01:56
Not enough wrist time. But I did scratch a bracelet without even wearing the watch. So I got that going for me, which is nice.

Wear it...with stickers 😬 and congratulations

 
 By: Clueless_Collector : October 1st, 2018-13:41
No message body

Congrats! :)

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : October 2nd, 2018-01:29
A future classic for sure! Best Blomman

Hmm, intriguing

 
 By: crown comfort : October 1st, 2018-12:32
if I like a modern Rolex then a 14060 is probably in the top spot and with that little "extra" I could be very tempted. I like the challenge of "rare"

Superb post dear Joe!! That´s something I haven´t read about before! A very interesting read about one of my favorite "modern" references. Regret to say...

 
 By: Subexplorer : October 1st, 2018-13:36
... that my own 14060M has not the long F but I love my watch anyway. It has accompanied me in some great dives and in many trips, as well as on my wrist very oftten. Very nice to know a bit more about this beautiful reference!! Thank you so much my dear ... 

Great post Joe, thank you!

 
 By: Walter2 : October 1st, 2018-16:19
I like to talk a little bit more about the TWO LINER 14060M without Chronometer Certification, but the Chronmeter movement 3130. First of all we find here the same, what we can find with the predecessor 5513 and 5512. Some Two Liners 5513 wear the movemen...  

Thanks Joe [nt]

 
 By: watch-guy.com : October 1st, 2018-17:06

harder than you think as Chrono24 has now changed their image capture

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 2nd, 2018-00:21
ability to use examples is now harder as the quality on screenshots does not translate. The example at the top has the long F. If you go on Chronoi 24 and search for 14060M from 2010 (for example), than that will have a short F example.....there are plent... 

Excellent scholarship

 
 By: descartes1 : October 1st, 2018-18:09
What a great read. Thanks!

one day....yes [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 2nd, 2018-00:57

Hi Horology.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 3rd, 2018-02:50
1st November...i will do Part 6 on the 168000!

so.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 3rd, 2018-04:13
whattyagonnado

Best one so far!

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : October 2nd, 2018-01:33
Thank you, Baron for another insightful post! Must say that form all the once you have highlighted in this series, this LGF is my favourite! Cool, classic, vintage feel with a small but distinctive quirk! As mentioned, "the last of the best"! Thank you. B... 

I have three favourites......

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 2nd, 2018-01:54
the Kermit, the 14060 Swiss only and the 14060M LGF.

Kermit is cool but I am not sure...

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : October 2nd, 2018-10:40
I would take that one over a 14060 Swiss only... Best Blomman

Dear Mr Baron Red

 
 By: Horology75 : October 2nd, 2018-13:05
Could you pls help me identify my watch. It’s with inside writing M series Submariner . Need your help to learn more about it . Long F or which one is this .. ...  

The F is a short f

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 3rd, 2018-04:09
(doesn’t stick out the line)

Good to know, thanks.

 
 By: VMM : October 2nd, 2018-14:05
14060M and 14270 were my favorite references. I deeply regret not buying the 14060 before it became what it is now, I can't stand the wide lugs. Vte

totally agree ... for me too [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 3rd, 2018-02:48

Me too..... [nt]

 
 By: Miranda : October 4th, 2018-15:20

Thanks for sharing (and for composing). The history / evolution of this Sub was not something I had paid attention to.

 
 By: Jay (Eire) : October 12th, 2018-07:18
A few of your other write-ups on this theme are more familiar to me. Looking forward to more in this series.

I am starting to fear his write ups!

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 12th, 2018-08:23
The cost of reading is getting more expensive with every new edition...

You are welcome [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 12th, 2018-08:26

This was the last one right?

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 12th, 2018-08:38
🙌🏻

Almost [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 12th, 2018-08:58

😅 [nt]

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : October 12th, 2018-09:02

Haha. Some very strong arguements for why one might part with some $$$.

 
 By: Jay (Eire) : October 12th, 2018-14:53
I wonder how many have been pushed over the edge as a result of this series?

"pushed over the edge" or.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : October 13th, 2018-02:00
discovered the promised land?

Joe,That is a fantastic read

 
 By: beejo : October 12th, 2018-11:18
And your attention to details is second to for more but the list is getting longer every post. Best, Ahmed

I was just able to hunt one down...

 
 By: BMR : November 27th, 2018-13:04
And I pulled the trigger! Should have it by next week. Joe, this report was incredible and poisonous at the same time. I was bitten by the bug. I’ve wanted a no-date model for some time. I just didn’t know which one. After reading this post, I knew which ...