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great post SJX and Nicolas
Jan 08, 2010,23:44 PM
You both offered very interesting points on these models.
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Why I miss the Sea-Dweller and its outgoing brethren
By: SJX : January 8th, 2010-21:06
For most of its life the Sea-Dweller never sold particularly well because it was too thick and too heavy for the ordinary consumer. And the Submariner could be bought for less and it looked nearly identical. In fact, on the secondary market the Sea-Dwelle...
Interesting post, SJX
By: amanico : January 8th, 2010-23:05
A lot of food for thought ! I will be one of those who will regret the Explorers and Subs, IF they are really discontinued, which we'll know soon, well, in a pair of months. They are timeless pieces, whose charm is indeed difficult to describe. A page is ...
A couple of points
By: SJX : January 8th, 2010-23:09
Hi Nicolas, A couple of points in response: The Yacht-master also was the first to have the polished case (top and sides) that is now standard on the Daytona, GMT-Master II etc. As for SD vs. Submariner pricing, I was referring to the last 16600 and 16610...
Thanks, SJX
By: amanico : January 8th, 2010-23:14
You're absolutely correct about the YM... That makes all the interest of this watch, a kind of precursor. I misread you, I thought you were speaking IN GENERAL, about the Sea Dweller and the SUB. I didn't get that you spoke about the modern production, we...
With ....
By: MiniCooper : January 9th, 2010-13:18
such a complete review and complete answer is there is not much else to add.... Thanks.... Cheers
There is always something to add, PP.
By: amanico : January 9th, 2010-22:53
What were your favourite Subs and SDs? What do you want to see as a future Sub? What do you think about these models which will maybe disappear? You see? Best, Nicolas
Well....
By: MiniCooper : January 9th, 2010-23:55
true my friend..... So some quick thoughts...... I do not see the current sub disappearing as a lot of them were produced..... They will have their place in the second hand market and the vintage but not in the sense of todays vintage rolex.... My favouri...
Tssss...PP...Are you telling me that
By: amanico : January 10th, 2010-00:03
There is something " new " to come??? HeHe... You're always where I don't expect for you to be. Best, Nicolas
he.. he.. he...
By: MiniCooper : January 10th, 2010-00:05
I t is nice to be surprised my friend isn't it? I hope that you have a great Sunday...... Cheers
Patience......
By: MiniCooper : January 10th, 2010-00:31
my friend..... Soon..... Cheers
Besides.....
By: MiniCooper : January 10th, 2010-00:49
you had plenty of clues..... Cheers
A charming era, but one that is over!
By: Anatol : January 8th, 2010-23:42
The Rolex tool watches originate from a time when precise time keeping under extreme conditions became necessary and was not universally available. Up until the 80ies you could really argue that you bought a tool and this was reflected in the design: matt...
utilitarian tool
By: Hororgasm : January 9th, 2010-12:27
agree....how past utilitarian tool has now evolved into mass luxury products...similar story for Panareis. bejewelled Rolexes and precious metal PAMs...
Thanks SJX, Nicolas and Anatol for your posts.
By: Z3 : January 9th, 2010-00:25
As Anatol has elegantly put: Rolex, at the end of the day, is a luxury watch, and most people who buy a luxury sport watch would only reminisce about the adventurous lifestyle. To most, it's the embodiment of an adventurous lifestyle, not the actual adven...
I am getting old
By: Starman : January 9th, 2010-01:12
I know I am, because I agree with your post. Your arguments are right to me. But of course Rolex must have a good marketing department. They at least try to find out what their customers and new customers want for a watch. And this is probably what they c...
Nice post
By: Mostel : January 9th, 2010-08:49
As a heartfelt fan of my Sub LV, I have to agree, that despite the 'crappy' bracelet-clasp, I still vastly prefer the 'old' Rolex's to the new ones. BTW, I never thought or think of the clasp as crappy--I am in the camp who looks upon the clasp as perfect...
A very....
By: MiniCooper : January 9th, 2010-13:14
thorough review... A long and interesting story..... Cheers This message has been edited by PinkPanther on 2010-01-09 13:16:21
Great post that point out the cross roads of Rolex...
By: JRAN : January 9th, 2010-16:49
...ultimately, these last changes will pretty much mark the full change of the Rolex line. As your post stated, many people rushed to buy the last of the Sea Dwellers and I followed along - luckily I was able to get a V series. As these forums are all abo...
respectfully vote that Rolex is doing a good job with new models
By: grigo : January 9th, 2010-23:18
I agree with many of the things that you say in your review, but I personnally consider that Rolex is doing a great job with its new models. It's kind of funny to think that for twenty years people have complained about Rolex bracellets and clasps and tha...
I agree with you
By: SJX : January 10th, 2010-00:22
as I wrote in my original post, the new Rolex watches, especially the bracelets, are wonderful. I wore a Daytona for the last 2 days and the bracelet is an amazing piece of work, especially for the price (even though the steel Daytona sells at a premium)....
Rolex never approved by NASA...
By: chaser579 : January 10th, 2010-06:27
..for space exploration/travel. Plus the SD is not a chronograph. Only one watch passed all the rigorous NASA tests and that is the Omega Speedmaster. Of course today we have the Timex Ironman and Casio G-Shock, and now the Seiko Spacewalk approved for sp...
SJX - you have a point, however, the DSSD to my
By: 219 : January 9th, 2010-23:56
mind is a culmination of Rolex research over the past 50 years - that they can put together a 'street legal' watch that can drop 4km down and still run just fine. The watch retains all that is Rolex. Sure, it might be over engineered, but for most purpose...
You are right, but
By: SJX : January 10th, 2010-00:21
The SD was originally designed for professionals in mind. It was extremely difficult to sell a SD to a civilian in the 70s, 80s and even 90s. On the other hand, the SDDS - which is an incredible piece of engineering - is clearly designed for the luxury sp...
Enjoyed reading this, SJX!
By: dxboon : January 10th, 2010-00:24
I think the Sea-Dweller is a fantastic timepiece. Rolex should be proud of their successful design. I wonder where Rolex is heading. I didn't care for the redesigned Datejust (Datejust II) at all, so I'm curious what the future will hold for other models....
Five points only?
By: SJX : January 10th, 2010-03:44
Thanks for the reply. The automotive analogy is appropriate, especially given your background. Consumers of different generations perceive products, old and new, differently. The Prince and Bubbleback were really hot once in the eighties. Now they're over...
Damn, I never convinced my father to buy any 911 LOL
By: Starman : January 10th, 2010-07:01
So now it's up to me, and even though I'm not that old I prefer the old Carrera 3.2 models over any younger models even though I now the later models are much better cars. You are right, the same goes for watches. So now we discusses cars and watches; wha...
Maybe we should avoid....
By: MiniCooper : January 10th, 2010-07:26
discussing women..... Besides there is a female moderator.... lol Cheers
Well we do have.....
By: MiniCooper : January 10th, 2010-09:07
a friendly lawyer.... Amanico..... Cheers
well written...and I have to agree
By: ocwatching : January 11th, 2010-09:44
but with all things...and peopel..we evolve...and we will see how we feel once the new models are released... but I do think the SubND wears very well for a BIG (relative) watch with the bracelet...
lucky I am
By: fifty fathoms : January 13th, 2010-08:25
... I saved one of the last.... great report and statement regards Stephan...
Beautifully written...
By: chrono24seven : January 16th, 2010-11:31
And I thought to sell my '96 T25 dialed Sea Dweller... It's the desire to move into an '08 DSSD that has me dancing with the notion, I suppose having both couldn't hurt! Thanks for sharing!