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At least this post made us react
I didn’t know where to post, either in the Richard Mille or the Patek forum. Being the lucky owner of both a 5712 and a (still today) RM010, I think I’m entitled to post on both sides ;-)
To me I don’t see anything more than a marketing “coup” in this RM statement. And again, as pointed by other members, maybe it has been extracted from its context… Of course it’s bold, but in today’s world of marketing guerrilla I find it ok, especially as I don’t see RM and Patek as competing brands. In my mind, they are very complementary: RM being the eponym of high tech with new materials and very sport oriented; Patek being classy or sport-chic depending on models. Of course Patek has Advanced Research and RM has classic models, but those are exceptions. Lastly, in my mind, one can look after a watch for the next generation without necessarily putting it in a bank safe. One can wear its watch gently… This is actually what I do with my RM considering the price point of such piece. And Richard Mille as the founder of the brand wants to see its customers wearing their watches.
My $0.02.
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A sentence posted on the Richard Mille IG account
I would like to highlight a sentence posted on Instagram further to the release of the McLaren piece: "We make watches you can wear for any occasion, just as McLaren creates cars that can be driven on a daily basis. We don't do watches to put in a safe wa...
Even though....
it always comes down to the individual's personality I think there is more validity to their statement than not. Myself, being a dedicated user of anything I purchase, would be more inclined to get a RM than a PP save for my all-time favorite PP Nautilus....
Hmmm. Not sure how I feel about that.
Sounds too “up it’s own $&$”. (Maybe just an over-reaction from me, but I find this particular “dig” at another brand a cowardly trick). If RM have something to say about another brand & its customers - just grow some ⚽️ 🎾’s and Call it out by name. Other...
I concur. No one uses a McLaren for everyday use
I wait to be corrected by someone who does. Cazalea
Sure they do--have many friends who drive 570 daily.
I drove my Ferrari 458 daily and still drive my GT3RS daily. Maybe YOU don't drive one daily, but plenty do. I also wear an RM daily.
See, I stand corrected. I had been thinking of the F1 which I have only seen once or twice on the road
The new cars, yes, they are more visible at least here in SoCal.
Well I think the brand positioning is clear by this sentence, but I don't know if this is what their customers actually do. I see the way RM associates itself with activities to prove their
robustness & 'every day' use (tennis, F1 , cycling, golf, sailing etc,,), but I have never seen a well used RM for sale to prove the point that they have been used for every occasion even if they can be - Not dissilimar to a Maclaren Car I guess.
Stupid sentences
Of someone who has no idea. A watch novelist. Richard, don't burn the money.
Hilarious hubris from RM. 🤑🤑🤑
Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Albeit both makes ( and definitely a McLaren!) are not really within financial grasp
but any statement by a company that attempts to big itself up by denigrating another has lost my attention - lazy & boorish marketing.
LOL. Great statement by RM. RM is a VERY arrogant brand, but I still love it!
If you want to play safe, Patek is a great place for that I've found over the years. Also boring.
I see RM's on the wrists once in a while, so I feel RM is correct in their statement that their customers wear their watches
RM production is so small that it's a treat to see them on people's wrists and that they aren't safe queens. - AT
We do wear our watches...at least I do. Daily. With production about 4400 a year now, it's a very small world. [nt]
Patek at what 45k watches annually. Not that exclusive for sure. Buy what you like and enjoy at the end of the day.
Yawn....
Lack of imagination; RM can't come up with its own slogan so it puts down another brand. RM makes great watches so I am not sure why it has to have a dig at another brand- perhaps something to do with the fact that its pre-owned watches don't hold as much...
LOL. Have you seen the secondary RM market in the last year? Obviously not. It's the hottest brand on the market...secondary pieces going 10-20% over MSRP.
Do some homework before making silly comments.
Unfortunately in this case your wrong as RM is actually gaining more value
I sold my RM10 which I owned for 5 Years for 70% profit RM prices are holding very strong and increasing in value That’s due to the fact that Richard increased the retail price by 40% and reduced the number of ADs while increasing number of boutiques
Interesting
I had a Breitling Superocean many years ago. After 6 years ownership, I sold it for double the original price i.e. 100% profit.
Live and let die 😁
RM is currently the new grail for those who wants to show off mostly. Instagram is the mirror of this behavior, and the lucky and wealthy customers do wear their watches. Only few collectors are really interested in the technical features, but this is not...
I'm mixed and conflicted...
There are a lot of Patek Philippe users who are using their watches every day. There are a lot of Patek Philippe users who enjoy it for themselves and not for their posterity. I currently don't have any children (at least none that I'm aware of). If I had...
I think that statement is close to stupid.....perhaps as stupid as .....
....."RM customers are deeply insecure as they need to show their wealth to others via their wrists" Generalisations like this are just stupid. It is beneath RM to have put out such a comment.
People should read carefully before reacting
FrX That statement should be read carefully without assumption. InstaGram gives no scope for elaborate discussion. The sentence is simply a Mission Statement. By their design technique and aesthetic; Richard Miller watches are for enjoying now and for "ac...
MTF...i think you are being naive.....
The statement is a very clear dig at the expense of Patek Philippe. You seem to be suggesting that you have much deeper insight than the rest of us. Yes, you highlight one aspect of their mission statement. BUT, they still make that mission statement at t...
Yes, and due to the format, one should be very carefully when stating comments!
Or you may find your comment interpet in a bad way. Responsible is always first on the writer, secondly on the reader... Best Blomman
Unless grappa is involved
Damjan, You are correct and observed well with a scientist's eye. That rule applies unless grappa or lack of sleep are involved. Then, all inhibitory centres and bets are off... for some people Warm regards, MTF
With a vibrent forum of ”the other brand” full of live shots of people enjoying their watches...
That we have here on WPS, its hard to think this is a fair comment... Especially since the original slogan is more about the fact that your watch will still work once you are gone... Would be interesting to know how well RM watches will stand in function ...
Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar...
As an owner of neither RM nor PP, I would not have read this sentence to be meaned at the ecpense pf PP. If I recall correctly, the meaning of PP's long-standing advertising motto is to wear a PP until you hand it over to the next generation. This does no...
A wise adage from an old PuristS
Herr Dr Professor Hanke, I always look to you for calm and PuristS embracing values. "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." I like that. It expresses my feeling better than I could or did. Regards, MTF
Unless you live in snow covered land or want to dive with most of their watches :)
On one hand RM is loud, flashy and provocative and whole brand philosophy is pretty extrovert... yes, they are loved by people how loves to show off because it is easier to be recognized in wild (or Instagram), lot easier than and PP grand complication......
To have a need of making PR of your own brand by trashing another speaks enough for me
Here on WPS I see PP being worn...from simple ones to complications and grand complications. RM is great brand in it's own field and merits hence apart from bad sale results I don't see need for such PR If you compare traffic on both forums here also spea...
the eagle doesn t catch flies
i doubt that anybody care or should care with such comments , I ve always considered RM as an interesting horological adventure but I would t even think to acquire one for a simple reason that if one time they quit from the business nobody will be able to...
How many replying own an RM?
Crickets. Maybe 1 or 2. It's always the non-owners that get so nasty to the brand. RM made a statement that is true--who cares. It's one of the aspects of the brand I love. Less stuffy and more fun. It's a watch--not the end of the world. Other brands (PP...
even as a non-owner (and dreaming to become one), I fully agree about you wrote.
And in the end, you highlighted the most important: having fun. Fx
Former owner and early adopter here...
Big fan today of RM but primarily of the original classic models like the RM002, RM004, the RM009, and the RM012 which focused primarily on innovative movements and set the foundation for their designs in the future. Having both the RM005 and RM010 early ...
Early pieces are fun indeed.
Today RM's have a 5 year warranty. RM service in the US takes just a few weeks. Times have changed... Patek doesn't make sport watches and it's all I wear. If I wanted a dress watch I'd buy another Patek...they don't change much. All comes down to lifesty...
LOL. Let me guess you're going to say 175 year history....blah, blah.
Buy what you like--and don't worry about RM.
I guess Mr Mille needs to be poisonous...
Apparently he needs it. however I get from some owners that his watches are not so reliable when it comes to actual use. The advice I was given from former owners + one renowned AHCI member was to avoid the brand.
Having owned 7 I can say that is not my experience at all.
Most accurate watch brand I've owned. Too funny how bent out of shape people are getting because RM said to wear watches not stick them in a safe. The 175 year old crowd is worried I guess...
wonderful! Just enjoy your watch.
I dont think Patek owners have anything to worry about!
Reading this sentence calmly
it IMO doesn’t refer to PP necessarily. Nevertheless „pride goes before a fall“ somehow springs to my mind. Best, Thomas
I would say: well done Richard Mille...
Of course he knew that this type of comment would provoke a lot of reactions. But it is well done once again. Why? Because in the end, we are comparing, even with a mirror effect, Richard Mille (the brand) with the most prestigious brand of the high end s...
Everything will be fine :-)
Dear people, none of the last 50 posts here in the forum has more answers and at the same time was read so often ... any questions? Cheers Bernd
you're on a good way FrX since your start as a RM forums moderator :-)
I am looking forward to more posts from you - appreciate them. Best Bernd
At least this post made us react
I didn’t know where to post, either in the Richard Mille or the Patek forum. Being the lucky owner of both a 5712 and a (still today) RM010, I think I’m entitled to post on both sides ;-) To me I don’t see anything more than a marketing “coup” in this RM ...
Thanks a lot for your detailed point of view...
... and by reminding us that we can be clients of both brands. Not a surprise by the way since Patek and RM symbolize excellence in their own fields. Fx
I like my daily wear too
We should share more shots of of our daily RM, is it that there are less RM around due to their ‘youth’? I do feel the number of RM owners seem reluctant to show their watches on this forum compared to the other brands. Should we start a weekly thread to ...
I am not sure this will be a success.
I just saw 2 RM on the wrists of the owners the last couple of years. One in London and one in Saint-Tropez.
I broke an aquanaut playing tennis
Was told not to wear any Patek with vigorous activity. So I bought an RM and it definitely is the toughest watch I’ve ever had. I have other Pateks and love them and the elegance of the brand, but it’s true they are just for the office and mild activity. ...
When you say broke what does it mean
the watch case broke into halves our internal failure has happened?thanks
I can imagine a problem with the movement
Because the only thing I broke while playing tennis was a racket!
Broke = Internal movement failure
The balance wheel could not resist the shock. 99% of mechanical watches will eventually break if subject to G forces from activities like tennis or golf. That’s why the RM suspended movement is a genuine breakthrough. It allows the movement to float insid...
To be fair, Serena Williams wears an AP on the court...
and Phil Mickleson wears a Rolex on the links. Just two examples. While it's fair to say that mechanical watches were not designed for these stresses, and they can certainly suffer a failure, it is nonetheless very common for standard watches to handle su...
Who follows RM on IG?
I guess the followers are RM fans or interested parties. So what is the aim of mocking another brand? To give reassurance to their existing customers that they own the right brand? RM is a unique make doing very special products, they should stick to that...
I wear my Patek’s daily...
And I only collect rare and grand complication timepieces. Alittle immature, sounds like someone has a chip on their shoulder
