Opinion needed. 3970EP for 5131 Enamel World time Should I?

Hello everyone! I have been buying and collecting watches for many years. In 07, I had a chance to acquire a 3970 platinum with diamond dial and I love the watch. Recently, I have heard a lot of talk about the enamel dial World Time 5131. The watch looks really nice and I heard that the history of this kinna watch is very very good (both in term of collection and valuation). The price in the grey market is very high and I heard getting one on list price is next to impossible. In fact, the price on grey market is as high as the current going rate for 3970 P. Here is my question and if I am violating any rules in here, I am sorry in advance. Given a choice, would you trade a 3970p over 5131 world time enamel (straight swap). Preference, opinions, suggestions or/and comments will be highly appreciated. Thank you so much in advance.

Absolutely not! No way to compare a 5131 with a 3970! Fabio

Would you trade a 3970p over 5131 world time enamel? No no and no! nt

By: Dje : January 14th, 2011-06:52

I would keep the 3970P, but then I love Chronos!

By: doublesix : January 14th, 2011-07:04

absolutely not

By: watch-er : January 14th, 2011-07:31

The 3970p is a keeper only to appreciate over the time, a far better long term hold.

I think you may be infatuated with the 5131 now,

By: whit : January 14th, 2011-08:07

but would regret such a trade later. If you have other watches or toys that could fund the 5131, then you could scratch that itch without parting with a watch that you so clearly are happy with. Personally, I would not make such a trade. The enameled dial...

Or....

By: MiniCooper : January 14th, 2011-09:49

the owner of the 5131 is trying to ake a profit.... In my opinion this is more likely..... I think that it is a pity that several 5131 were sold to people that intended to simply make a profit...... Sad... Cheers

I don't know if the owner is taking a profit, he may have

By: whit : January 14th, 2011-12:55

put up some big bucks to get it, but clearly, he is willing (maybe eager) for such a trade to take place. I agree with your comment regarding the profit-taking on this reference and many others as well.

Same answer: NO!

By: Hamster07 : January 14th, 2011-08:33

I'll surely keep the 3970P and wait until I can get a 5131 at list. What if the price never comes down? I'd rather not have it.

trading the Patek 3970 P for the 5131.?

By: hoehenry : January 14th, 2011-08:55

I will keep the 3970P. The Patek 5131 is expensive bec of its limited production. henry hoe

Don't even think twice.

By: tahoeblue : January 14th, 2011-09:45

Look up HYPE in Websters and you might see a picture of a 5131 (though no doubt a special watch). 3970 (esp in PT) is a solid classic.

I adore the 5131, I really doooooo, I LOVES it.....but ..NO..

By: ImranLondon : January 14th, 2011-12:51

no way , not for a 3970p.. they do other enamel dials as well as the 5131..... just my opinion, wish you well in your decision best, Imran

Thank you everyone for their kind responses

By: VisethS : January 14th, 2011-21:13

I think I agree and see your point about 3970. I personally think I will regret parting with 3970 as well. I guess I have to test my luck and hopefully get one at list price. The 5131 is a very cool watch at its list price level.

The 3970 is superior in every aspect...

By: ticktocktimesup : January 15th, 2011-02:33

... I would not part with it just for an enamel dial.... if you strip the 5131 of its enamel dial it suddenly becomes a very ordinary watch versus the 3970. So if it were me, I would keep the 3970, it is so much more elegant, refined and complicated.

no way

By: jonrus : January 15th, 2011-05:52

if they flooded the market with 5131, will you consider the trade?

If life was a compass ...

By: Aussie : January 15th, 2011-10:32

The 3970p would be pointing North, the 5131 would be pointing South. I hope this will point you in the right direction. This message has been edited by Arnoni on 2011-01-15 10:35:17

As a long time collector you are, you already know the answer. NO.

By: amanico : January 15th, 2011-13:16

Don't play a foolish card. How can you think even one second trading a 3970 P for a 5131???? But it isi your collection, and your money, after all. Best, Nicolas.

stick with 5131

By: mjnoumoff : January 15th, 2011-13:48

I am a huge fan of the 3970 and worldtime. I fully appreciate the complexity of creating such a magnificent enamel dial but too just see the watch as a basic worldtime with a fancy dial. The 3970 is a perpetual calendar chronograph, which is an amazing ac...

Two opposite watches...

By: foversta : January 15th, 2011-13:59

It is clearly impossible to compare them: Hw vs Automatic Worldtimer vs Perpetual Calendar and chronograph Platinum vs gold... In pure horological contents, the 3970 doesn't play the same league... I would say: choose the one which has the complications w...

Keep the 3970. It is something from the past ...

By: COUNT DE MONET : January 15th, 2011-16:26

... the 5131 is simply a marketing product for Patek, nothing really new or much different from the 5130. This intricate enamel work that is often brought forward is relative: I have seen molar teeth porcelain crowns with landscapes on them, villages. It ...

Don´t do it!

By: mac_omega : January 16th, 2011-00:26

Hello, although I would long to possess a ref 5131 I would clearly prefer a 3970 P if I had to choose! I never pay more than retail - time will tell ... we have often seen prices "come back" after some time of speculation... just my 2 cents erich

keep the 3970p... [nt]

By: bearco : January 16th, 2011-11:29

No message body

1518, 2499, 3970, 5970, 2011 chrono (? 7970 ?) - are you getting the picture yet ?

By: Aussie : January 16th, 2011-11:52

The lone opinion to say yes

By: tourbillon001 : January 22nd, 2011-11:48

I think it is very easy to buy a 3970 right now and not so much with the 5131. Enjoy the the 5131 for a while and if you like the 3970 better I'm sure there are a several dealers that would willingly trade you back in a heart beat because they will look a...

THANK YOU EVERYONE!

By: VisethS : January 22nd, 2011-11:34

Really Solid comments and advices! 5131 is history for me...unless i get it at list price ....thanks..

Will you trade 5970g for a 5131g?

By: vic93 : January 22nd, 2011-19:12

If 3970p changes to 5970g, will you trade a 5970g for a 5131g?

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