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We are here on PuristSPro...
and our motto is to enjoy watches whatever they are Patek, RM or Lange or Omega.
But I can also consider that Patek starts to be a victim of its strategy.
Patek has communicated a lot about the patrimonial value of their watches. It is obviously a strong asset especially when we compare them to any other player of the industry. The problem is that a lot of Patek purchasers (I don't call them collectors, clients, fans etc...) are in a pure investment strategy.
We saw, even here, a lot of Patek watches still in their plastic wraps. We got a lot of questions about value.
The situation is well known by Patek and they raised the prices of the Nautilus by 20%... not for increase the profitability but to try to balance their sales. They don't want to depend on one or two speculative models and they decided to react. I think it is a good decision but also the symbol of this current situation.
We shall not react too strongly in front of RM's words. Richard Mille is clever, he speaks to his audience and he knows what he does. There is of course a kind of exaggeration and at least, I would say, once again, he managed to provoke a lot of reactions. Well done...
Thanks Imran for your post!
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Patek Philippe generations
For over 175 years Patek Philippe have enjoyed a status that certainly very few can share at the top table of haute horology. What make Patek Philippe so great? I get asked this all the time. The answer is relatively simple- consistency. Patek’s reputatio...
What he said is true.
Open a window and let some of that stuffy 175 year old air out. Most refreshing brand to come along in years--certainly the one that pushes the envelope. Some companies are leading the future, while others live in the past. RM makes 4400 per year. PP 44,0...
Totally agree
But RM has not prove itself they dont even have their own movements. They are great in marketing strategy but dont think it will last for next 150 years. Just my thought
Who knows. I can say Vaucher movements have been accurate than any PP I owned.
Only thing I know in 150 years we will all be dead. I live for today, not 150 years from now.
Time will tell, no pun intended!
But they are definitely different and launched a whole tsunami of wanna be watches Best Imran
Don’t think anyone is upset
And I don’t have a problem with RM watches. I think they are a fantastic fashion statement.
Not everything can be as ground breaking as a 5711...so advanced in movement and material.
I'll let the 'generations' discuss. Riveting answers coming I'm sure.
Depends on what is considered ground breaking, for me true innivations include
Balance bridge- Rolex Zero reset- Lange Co-axial omega/ Daniels Antimagnetic movement-omega Silicone- omega/patek/rolex colab Just my thoughts on real world contribution to horology Best Imran
I'm the first to admit I'm a Patek collector through and through and, at one point, had very little appreciation for the design, complication, and brand ethos of many other manufacturers, including RM.
My instinct WAS to dismiss a brand like RM simply because i) it is different, and ii) I didn't understand it. Fortunately, through the absorption of information from other seasoned collectors (such as yourself, Tex) I've been able to develop my appreciati...
I guess I'm confused by the uproar over RM saying...
"We don't do watches to put in the safe for the next generation" Seems pretty straight forward to me. Nothing offensive about it. Here is another quote I like...especially about the 'conformist watch world' that seems to be prevalent after 175 years. ...
Tex, I'm fairly certain based on my read of the posts that there isn't much of an uproar here. Nor a feeling of offense taken.
As I wrote, I don't appreciate the quoted advertising (in this case by RM), but I'm neither offended nor in delirium as a result. I simply don't appreciate the strategy as an effective means of promotion. Full stop. With respect, it seems the initial post...
That is a wonderful post, and really beautifully to the point of the matter
Thank you sir! Best Imran
Genuinely not upset, just giving a counter opinion
I only get upset when people are involved Having lost a son and both my parents and the job I do Trust me watches or opinions on Watches will never ever get me upset But I do get happy when someone buys acwatch they love and it brings them joy If RM watch...
These two posts have certainly fired up some people
Seems like we have some die hard fans or are they the CEO of the brands, I can't tell
"look after it" implies precious, fragile
I agree with most of what you wrote about the special place that PP occupies. And I don't want to reduce the discussion down to pure semantics. But in my opinion the connection between the ability of PP to service vintage watches and it's slogan is tenuou...
Thank you for a considered post and fair and excellent points
As for the advertising The ability to look after the watch generation after generations was part if the advertising As explained to me by Patek when the advertising started Best Imran
Not Patek’s fault
It’s hardly Patek’s fault that a segment of Patek owners decides to use them as investment instead of wearing them? Patek’s boast of safeguarding for the next generation is more a statement to their quality and the superb service PP gives. Let’s see how R...
RM will be hitting 20 years
and I think they deserve credit for building a very savvy business plan and executing it well. RM watches are so light, it's just awesome. But RM has miles to go before they can stand toe-to-toe with PP. The day in the future when there are dozens of book...
I've been hearing the same talking points for 15 years...maybe one day we'll know.
At the end of the day, I have a feeling no matter what, PP fan boy's are always going to snub their nose at any brand not PP. So it really doesn't matter. Wonder if the old school car crowd thought the same of Tesla.
Texex91, you need to open your eyes to the owners on PPro
Most Patek owners here also own other brands and are fans of other brands. I am a fan of both Patek and RM watches as well as JLC, AP, Zenith, Heuer to name a few. Being a fan of Patek and another brand is not mutually exclusive for some of us. Don’t take...
Hey Tex. What exactly are you trying to achieve by repeatedly exhibiting the self righteous behavior you seem so keen to attribute solely to owners of one particular watch brand?
You’ve been antagonistic all day. I’ll speak for myself: enough already. And no, that is not the picture of a rare reference I had requested 😀!!
You ladies are too funny in PP section. Just too easy.
Most action on PP sub forum since someone posted an incoming Aquanaut. Exciting times indeed.... OP got his feathers ruffled because of some quote that doesn't even mention PP by name. Kinda silly to begin with if you ask me. Anyways, look forward to the ...
The only thing that was easy
Was getting you to resort to insults Please refrain from being churlish I don’t mind an alternative viewpoint And reasoned discussion But dont push it with insults Fair warning Best Imran
You know what--you are not worth my reply. You're not important to me.
Mods...if you want to blast me fine, I really don't care. But these personal attacks are not needed.
I certainly didn't intend to belittle you nor the RM brand, but this is apropos for this discussion.
I'm sorry you feel like you've been insulted. I'm a believer in the idea that we each own what we say (or write). Clearly, I've misinterpreted your thoughtful insights
Fan boys of Patek usually have a Richard Mille too
And Rolex Some even have s seiko! Best Fan boy Miranda 🤗😘
Probable, yes.
At least there will not be hundreds more of the new sealed Pateks. At some point in 10-15 years, the current sealed Pateks will need to be serviced, especially if it gets sold & the new owner has to check that it works properly and if it goes to the manuf...
Where were 10 years ago all the current RM fans?
When you could buy a second hand RM Felipe Massa for 18k! Or RM 008 was 60% discounted brand new! How many RM's collectors know that time only movements come from Vaucher and the complicated ones from AP-RP? Do they know that RM 011 is likely one the wors...
No one is fighting, merely presenting the other side of the coin.
And I hate to spread the bad news to you, but PP is more interesting to Rappers and football players these days. e ...
Actually I couldn't care less, of these unpaid ambassadors 😁
As you wrote, Patek makes 10 times more watches than RM, so no surprise that those shining Nautilus belong to the same category of people (I mean wealthy show business stars) Like AP, Hublot, VC, and any other expensive watch that is supposed to give an u...
What was it about? It sounds to me that RM is feeling a bit insecure
Often one criticizes what one cannot be.... does not reflect good on RM. A zero class comment.
We are here on PuristSPro...
and our motto is to enjoy watches whatever they are Patek, RM or Lange or Omega. But I can also consider that Patek starts to be a victim of its strategy. Patek has communicated a lot about the patrimonial value of their watches. It is obviously a strong ...
Just to be clear....
Under your definition, you would not call any member of this forum a “Patek collector”?
I’m happy you are a happy owner
And I am happy we have Patek collectors too like Kari, Julian, Baron, Fabio etc Best Imran
Lmao 😆!
I may change my name I actually really like fan boy I’ll let the forum decide!!! Best Miranda
From an early-mid 20 watch enthusiast
Dear all, I have been mostly a lurker on this forum, one that religiously checks in everyday for new posts. I am indefinitely grateful for the exposure this forum has given me and taught me about all types of watches. From Bill for the vintage rolexes to ...
Wooow, thats how you make a post! Superb and 💯 % agree every word you wrote
thank you. And pleeeeease post more often!!! Best Imran
I fully agree with you...
I think Patek's slogan is one of the smartest and longest-lasting marketing campaign in this industry, and I personally identify with it. --> you are so true! And I also think Richard Mille's new instagram post is equally ingenious, having a smart dig at ...
I don’t see it as a dig at the brand
Its more a slap in yhe face of Patek owners Remember Miles He took his 5970p swimming So the statement was crass Thats my point Expect more integrity from RM Best Imran
That's it SY, a smile to oneself when one catches a glimpse of what's on ones wrist.
The rest is just noise.
At least this post made us react
I didn’t know where to post, either in the Richard Mille or the Patek forum. Being the lucky owner of both a 5712 and a (still today) RM010, I think I’m entitled to post on both sides ;-) To me I don’t see anything more than a marketing “coup” in this RM ...
Great post and many thougtful insights
Rather than bagging one brand over another, I will stick to PP ( as that is essentially what I collect- yes I am a collector rather than an owner) I think the history of PP is what entices me. I am not a great fan of the modern stuff and have made my opin...
Patek Philippe is a great brand with great product...
There are many other brands with great products and beautifully designed timepieces. Vacheron Constantin, A. Lange & Soehne, Breguet, Audemars Piguet, and a few others. Why does Patek Philippe stand out? Probably because Patek Philippe has more well d...
Totally agree with your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs.
Like with Rolex, there are many who buy Patek predominantly as a symbol of luxury. I wonder if some people (not all, for sure) who collect only Patek or Rolex truly like watches for what they are or mostly just like the symbols of luxury. Worse with Rolex...
The Rolex crowd at least knows...
The Rolex crowd at least knows that there are other watches out there. There are so many Patek Philippe buyers who, through their lack of knowledge, insist that Patek Philippe is the best and stubbornly refuse to accept that there are brands that are equi...
The next generation …
will immediately sell your beloved Patek and blow the cash on wild girls fast cars and crazy nights .....who could blame them ! Maybe that should be the advertising campaign ?
That's actually true...
Millennials generally aren't in love with mechanical watches, vintage automobiles, antique French furniture... Look at vintage furniture, heavy French antique furniture is down, because millennials who inherit homes filled with this style just end up sell...
There is always next generation ;)
...and passion and interests usually goes from grandparents to grandchildren .... of course if you have children...
+1!!!
I’ve already told my 3 kids I’m going to blow their inheritance on first class air travel and fine wine - their may just be a watch for each left ;-)