something not quite right here

May 27, 2022,21:32 PM
 

The case is old and pitted. The case back looks authentic with FB and a PP stamp and number ( although the car number looks bit wonky)


The movement looks like a very old pocket watch movement way before any reference numbers were used

Also loko much cleaner than the case

Crown look s wrong ( trying to emulate the crown of a PP ref 565)


Dial looks Ok

Def get any extract from PP with all the relevant numbers

Julian


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Patek Philippe early Steel Calatrava

 
 By: Joe Cook : May 27th, 2022-15:16
I need help to identify this early Calatrava in Staybrite steel stamped in the case back FB François Borgel the famous case maker of the beginning of the 20th century, normally known for waterproof Calatrava Ref. 565, 437, 1463, pionnier of the water resi...  

Drop dead gorgeous.

 
 By: amanico : May 27th, 2022-15:41

Perfect

 
 By: Stoikos : May 27th, 2022-15:58

It looks quite fine for such a granny 👍👌👌

 
 By: Mike H : May 27th, 2022-17:57
Except most probably the crown for which I have serious doubts… but obviously we would need more photos to judge… Quite a nice steel Calatrava 😍😍😍

 
 By: Joe Cook : May 27th, 2022-18:07
Yes but as you see in the case back have no ref number, only the case number followed by 13 and FB stamp wich is François Borel case maker. Me too I look for more information about this model because it's not a ref. 96 and the movement is not a 12-120PS o... 

 
 By: hend : July 23rd, 2023-01:31
hi Joe, I bought your watch and I want to communicate with you, can you send an email or an Instagram account plz my Instagram account: [External link to personal IG account eliminated --- FabR] ...  

A case number very close to this one

 
 By: dedestexhes : May 27th, 2022-19:01
You see the source, so you can search with the start of the movement or case number to see if it is consistent… Dirk ...  

 
 By: Joe Cook : May 27th, 2022-19:15
Yes is probably a 96 or 437 steel of 1930's but the particularity is that have no ref number stamped and the movement is not a 12-120PS

something not quite right here

 
 By: watch-guy.com : May 27th, 2022-21:32
The case is old and pitted. The case back looks authentic with FB and a PP stamp and number ( although the car number looks bit wonky) The movement looks like a very old pocket watch movement way before any reference numbers were used Also loko much clean... 

Now that you say it...

 
 By: amanico : May 27th, 2022-21:43
Here is a correct one: ...  

 
 By: Joe Cook : May 28th, 2022-03:53
So what is the ref. ? 96?

Yes, Ref 96.

 
 By: amanico : May 28th, 2022-06:42

 
 By: Joe Cook : May 28th, 2022-12:11
That's flattering to say that the movement looks more of a pocket watch. This movement is not a 12-120 but looks like this one, made André Zibach a famous watchmaker of PP inventor of the Gyromax balance, I send the link ...