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Thx for starting this interesting discussion

Jan 03, 2021,06:07 AM
 

I prefer the 5130 case over the 5230 as the former in my eyes is pretty unique in the PP case line-up with its lovely rounded forms. 5230 case is more like “standard” case design of PP which can be found in pretty similar versions on other models.

But as I already own a 5130G and I strongly dislike the fonts of the 5131 and even more strongly dislike the engraving on the bezel the 5131 is not my cup of tea.

The near future will most probably bring us a 5231R and this is the model I’m waiting for when it comes to enamel dials.

From another collector in Germany I’ve heard the following story: a friend of him has ordered a 5231J and got it from his AD. The friend was not at all happy with the execution of the enamel dial as it was blurry and colour wise undistinctive. He refused the watch and his AD talked to PP in order to get another piece. But after delivery of the second watch the friend claimed the same low quality of the dial and refused to buy again. Dials of both watches were in much lover quality than on 5131 or other 5231J displayed on the PP website.

This is just a story that I was told and I did not see the watches or any pics of the dials. I would be interested if any of you guys have experienced or heard of a similar issue.



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Many forum members have posted images of the newest cloisonné WT, the 5231J. Also many have posted 5131s, including the J. Which J do you prefer?

 
 By: patekova : January 2nd, 2021-17:34
My take: Same land masses, but other than that, to me couldn’t be more different. Much more detailed and colorful map on the 5231, although colors are perhaps brighter and arguably more vibrant on 5131. Different hands on 5231 and Patek on the dial, not t...  

Thanks for a really neat comparison Patekova -- you indeed nailed it on the differences between an already iconic "father" and its "son", though hopefully not the last two generations of the glorious Patek WT dynasty! ;-)

 
 By: FabR : January 2nd, 2021-18:01
My personal preference, though I'm not much into J gold, is for the earlier 5131 versions in general...even if clearly less sophisticated than the 5231 in terms of execution, since the latter came over 10 years later. But I admit my preference for the 513... 

Thank you FabR for your kind words and analysis. Your post comparing the two 5177Gs inspired me to write my 5131/5231 comparison post .

 
 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-05:34

The enamel work on the 5231 is much better and more intricate...

 
 By: Clueless_Collector : January 2nd, 2021-18:41
I wonder if the 5131 has this contour on the land and ocean? I like your England more than mine...😊 ...  

Thank for your analytical reply. Both in contours of land masses and color gradations each individual watch is in a sense unique. Part of the charm.

 
 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-05:37

5231 for me, the enamel work does look significantly more detailed

 
 By: jleno : January 2nd, 2021-19:25
I do like the crown guards on the 5131 however

I have seen in images a very few 5131Js where the maps are quite detailed. Mine is not one of those, unfortunately.

 
 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-05:39

My biased vote for the 5131

 
 By: Dchang81 : January 2nd, 2021-19:32
Overall I prefer the 5131 but I’m biased. I like the map colors of the 5231 and the city font but prefer the patek name on the case as well as the case shape of the 5131. Kind of like that people have no idea what watch it is since they’re trying to look ... 

Thanks for your very interesting viewpoint. Seems there are almost as many viewpoints as there are variations in the dials.

 
 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-05:41

Hi Patekova, Thank you for this interesting comparison !

 
 By: GLau : January 2nd, 2021-20:31
IMO, key points of the two references are: 5231J: improved technique on the enamel dial because of the 10+ years of experience on the 5131 series, and 2) font for the city ring is more usual 5131J: 1) more vibrant colors (important to me on an enamel dial... 

Same thoughts and preference

 
 By: CGJ0 : January 3rd, 2021-01:15

Agree with Gordon that the case of 5131 is more classical, with the crown guard as well as the more fluid lugs.

 
 By: joenghenry : January 3rd, 2021-05:41

Extremely interesting reply, Gordon, as always! Have seen a handful of 5131Js where the maps are more detailed like on 5231, but they seem to

 
 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-05:43
be the exception to the rule.

Thanks for the side by side comparison. As you said, they are so different. I would gladly accept either one.... Best, Henry

 
 By: joenghenry : January 3rd, 2021-04:49

Henry, thank you for your reply and I hope you get one someday if that is a goal of yours.

 
 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-05:45

Thx for starting this interesting discussion

 
 By: cayenne1200 : January 3rd, 2021-06:07
I prefer the 5130 case over the 5230 as the former in my eyes is pretty unique in the PP case line-up with its lovely rounded forms. 5230 case is more like “standard” case design of PP which can be found in pretty similar versions on other models. But as ... 

Cayenne, I hope you get a 5231R! (For me the R and G versions of 5131 are significantly more appealing than the J.) I am confident that

 
 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-06:46
the 5231R will be beautiful! Interesting story about the the rejected 5231s. Never heard of something like that (but why would I)? When I got my 5131J years ago, after years of waiting and hoping for one, I must confess I was so thrilled to get it, that t... 

Similar story here

 
 By: HelixL : January 3rd, 2021-09:08
Hey Cayene Something similar happened to me with my 5131P. I did not have the guts to turn it down when the opportunity to purchase it surfaced. But I did notice two things with naked eye: poor enamelling job (bubbling, much more evident with loupe) and a...  

Hi, Helix. Thanks for sharing your experience. Is it the original or the replaced dial in your photo? As I can't see the damaged golden thread in the 8 o'clock position. Thanks, Henry

 
 By: joenghenry : January 13th, 2021-06:58
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I‘d love to see the „Patek“ in the place of Geneva on the cities ring

 
 By: mrds : January 3rd, 2021-07:12
That‘d be my preferred, stealthy way of branding the watch. In terms of 5131/5231, frankly I’m undecided. Love the 5131‘s fluid lines, the minute hand on the 5231 and the enamel work on both!

Thanks for your reply. Interesting idea about the placement of “Geneva”.

 
 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-11:49

5231j for me

 
 By: db1 : January 3rd, 2021-07:57
Something about the case speaks more to me. With the angles and lugs, smaller bezel, in yellow gold has a vintage feel. Also think the enamel work is different, more detailed for sure. Have heard the enamel artist shifted from mother (for 5131j) to her so...  

Congratulations on obtaining the 5231. The brown strap picks up the brown on the dial very nicely. Looks great on your wrist!

 
 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-11:50
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Thank you!

 
 By: db1 : January 3rd, 2021-12:45
Very kind words. Much appreciated!

They are both quite desirable but the 5231 for me with the strap from the 5131!

 
 By: NautNut : January 3rd, 2021-09:23

Yes, I can see where the yellow stitch might not be for everyone. Can’t switch even if I wanted to add variety. 21mm for 5131 and 20 mm for 5231.

 
 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-11:52

Are they both PP straps?

 
 By: NautNut : January 3rd, 2021-16:33
If so, what is the name of the color on the 5131?

Yes, they are both Patek custom straps. While I can’t say with certainty likely, “shiny royal blue alligator”.

 
 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-17:25

Thank you.

 
 By: NautNut : January 4th, 2021-07:56

shoot, change my answer to the 5231. the 21mm for the 5131 kind of annoying for straps.

 
 By: Dchang81 : January 3rd, 2021-21:53

Thanks for sharing your perspective. For better or worse many men’s Pateks have the unusual 21mm size.

 
 By: patekova : January 4th, 2021-05:01

Both are amazing but my clear preference is the 5231

 
 By: descartes1 : January 3rd, 2021-19:12
This is based on : finer enameling, font, dislike of PP name engraved on the bezel and case size.

I think many share your exact viewpoint. Thanks for replying!

 
 By: patekova : January 4th, 2021-05:02
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Interesting comparison.

 
 By: russell996 : January 4th, 2021-02:04
It is worth of course noting the differences in the J over the 8 or so years it was in production. ...  

Well observed...

 
 By: JBP99P : January 4th, 2021-03:17
and these 2 J's you show are more desirable in my eyes than any 5231J shown

You have a particularly nice map on your J! Congratulations on having such a fine example!

 
 By: patekova : January 4th, 2021-05:03

Not mine.

 
 By: russell996 : January 4th, 2021-05:12
Just grabbed the image off the internet but shows how the style changed drastically over the production period

Yes, the level of detail and and range of colors can be quite wide. Thanks for demonstrating this with your research and images!

 
 By: patekova : January 4th, 2021-08:34

And another of a 5131J

 
 By: russell996 : January 4th, 2021-02:12
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My goodness. This 5131J is totally different from what I saw from all sources previously.

 
 By: joenghenry : January 13th, 2021-07:01

bias to 5131...i still cant get over plonking PP on the dial when everyone who needs to know will recognise this as a PP and obscures the enamel work which is the very reason you buy the watch

 
 By: Patekphilippecollector : January 14th, 2021-21:45

Great point! The map is quite small to begin with, so why clutter it with the name? Traditionalists, however, feel it belongs on the dial.

 
 By: patekova : January 15th, 2021-04:35
Perhaps being a bit of a contrarian, there are things I like about both approaches.