Many forum members have posted images of the newest cloisonné WT, the 5231J. Also many have posted 5131s, including the J. Which J do you prefer?

Jan 02, 2021,17:34 PM

My take:  Same land masses, but other than that, to me couldn’t be more different. Much more detailed and colorful map on the 5231, although colors are perhaps brighter and arguably more vibrant on 5131. Different hands on 5231 and Patek on the dial, not the bezel. Different fonts. Much more rounded and larger case on 5131. More angles and facets on 5231 case. To me more modern look on 5131, while 5231 resembles more vintage WTs, in case style, font and Patek on the dial.

So overall which I prefer ... 5231J. 

(However, if it were 5231J vs 5131R or 5131G, not so sure. I like the size, wrist presence and feel of the 5131 case a lot. Also, I think generally the R and G maps  on 5131 are very high quality much like the 5231J map. Also, having aPatek on the bezel of 5131 makes it truly different from all other Pateks that come to mind, vintage or modern.)

But, which do you prefer 5131J or 5231J? Best, Patekova 

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Thanks for a really neat comparison Patekova -- you indeed nailed it on the differences between an already iconic "father" and its "son", though hopefully not the last two generations of the glorious Patek WT dynasty! ;-)

 By: FabR : January 2nd, 2021-18:01
My personal preference, though I'm not much into J gold, is for the earlier 5131 versions in general...even if clearly less sophisticated than the 5231 in terms of execution, since the latter came over 10 years later. But I admit my preference for the 513... 

The enamel work on the 5231 is much better and more intricate...

 By: Clueless_Collector : January 2nd, 2021-18:41
I wonder if the 5131 has this contour on the land and ocean? I like your England more than mine...😊 ...  

5231 for me, the enamel work does look significantly more detailed

 By: jleno : January 2nd, 2021-19:25
I do like the crown guards on the 5131 however

My biased vote for the 5131

 By: Dchang81 : January 2nd, 2021-19:32
Overall I prefer the 5131 but I’m biased. I like the map colors of the 5231 and the city font but prefer the patek name on the case as well as the case shape of the 5131. Kind of like that people have no idea what watch it is since they’re trying to look ... 

Hi Patekova, Thank you for this interesting comparison !

 By: GLau : January 2nd, 2021-20:31
IMO, key points of the two references are: 5231J: improved technique on the enamel dial because of the 10+ years of experience on the 5131 series, and 2) font for the city ring is more usual 5131J: 1) more vibrant colors (important to me on an enamel dial... 

Thx for starting this interesting discussion

 By: cayenne1200 : January 3rd, 2021-06:07
I prefer the 5130 case over the 5230 as the former in my eyes is pretty unique in the PP case line-up with its lovely rounded forms. 5230 case is more like “standard” case design of PP which can be found in pretty similar versions on other models. But as ... 

Cayenne, I hope you get a 5231R! (For me the R and G versions of 5131 are significantly more appealing than the J.) I am confident that

 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-06:46
the 5231R will be beautiful! Interesting story about the the rejected 5231s. Never heard of something like that (but why would I)? When I got my 5131J years ago, after years of waiting and hoping for one, I must confess I was so thrilled to get it, that t... 

Similar story here

 By: HelixL : January 3rd, 2021-09:08
Hey Cayene Something similar happened to me with my 5131P. I did not have the guts to turn it down when the opportunity to purchase it surfaced. But I did notice two things with naked eye: poor enamelling job (bubbling, much more evident with loupe) and a...  

I‘d love to see the „Patek“ in the place of Geneva on the cities ring

 By: mrds : January 3rd, 2021-07:12
That‘d be my preferred, stealthy way of branding the watch. In terms of 5131/5231, frankly I’m undecided. Love the 5131‘s fluid lines, the minute hand on the 5231 and the enamel work on both!

5231j for me

 By: db1 : January 3rd, 2021-07:57
Something about the case speaks more to me. With the angles and lugs, smaller bezel, in yellow gold has a vintage feel. Also think the enamel work is different, more detailed for sure. Have heard the enamel artist shifted from mother (for 5131j) to her so...  

Thank you!

 By: db1 : January 3rd, 2021-12:45
Very kind words. Much appreciated!

Are they both PP straps?

 By: NautNut : January 3rd, 2021-16:33
If so, what is the name of the color on the 5131?

Thank you.

 By: NautNut : January 4th, 2021-07:56

Both are amazing but my clear preference is the 5231

 By: descartes1 : January 3rd, 2021-19:12
This is based on : finer enameling, font, dislike of PP name engraved on the bezel and case size.

Interesting comparison.

 By: russell996 : January 4th, 2021-02:04
It is worth of course noting the differences in the J over the 8 or so years it was in production. ...  

Well observed...

 By: JBP99P : January 4th, 2021-03:17
and these 2 J's you show are more desirable in my eyes than any 5231J shown

Not mine.

 By: russell996 : January 4th, 2021-05:12
Just grabbed the image off the internet but shows how the style changed drastically over the production period

And another of a 5131J

 By: russell996 : January 4th, 2021-02:12

Great point! The map is quite small to begin with, so why clutter it with the name? Traditionalists, however, feel it belongs on the dial.

 By: patekova : January 15th, 2021-04:35
Perhaps being a bit of a contrarian, there are things I like about both approaches.