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Investment isnt the driver, basically I have a few other watches & just wanted a perpetual chrono to keep, like many people who like watches  i suspect the fascination of a perpetual calender ticking away is something of a great addition, must have something to do with time itself, the joy of not having to alter the date in my generation...it has a sort of special meaning for some reason I find hard to express.

I understand what you say about no of parts & jewels having no bearing, as I said I do not know enough about the movements to be able to comment on the quality of one vs the other, and certainly it seems in the thread no one has come up with a 'this one is better than that one becasue....' so I would conclude they are of similar quality.

Is the Patek valued so highly just becasue it is a Patek?...if the ALS had the PP movement & vice versa, would the Patek camp be singing its praises over the ALS due to its presumably more complicated nature, due to it having more parts etc?

I ask these questions not to offend or upset anyone in either camp, I am really just trying to understand the differances, and the reasons for them to assist in my choice, I am fascinated by both watches. And yes people will say 'buy the one that shouts out to you the most' fair comment, I always do..problem here they are both shouting so loudly and equally that I have been trying to give the edge to the one that gives the best value for what it is without taking into account the name or branding...its a toughy!

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5970 or Lange Dato Perpetual

 
By: chris4 : June 29th, 2010-09:03
Very quick question, buying one or the other, which one should I buy & why?....really like the look of the Lange Pltn DP, but wondering if the Patek would be a more prudent buy, ie have better long term value....be quite interested to hear the pro's and c... 

Sorry my reply is so simple and basic.....

 
By: Miles151 : June 29th, 2010-11:41
5970 all day long ..... I say this for one reason only.........This one... Let your eyes do the work...... The 5970 is just so perfectly balanced......... And after all it is a Patek Philippe.......  

Choice

 
By: Highlander65 : June 29th, 2010-18:04
5970 all day long--it is also a lot more money!! I have a 5146P and a Platinum Datograph--love them both--quite different though. If I was going to spend that kind of money--5970 without a doubt!! I do love the Plat Dato though--the regular one though for... 

5970...

 
By: optionc : June 30th, 2010-04:16
I would go w/ the 5970 over the dato-perpetual for sure... for all reasons (and I'm a huge fan of ALS... I own the dato and RL in plat). I also think given the list price of the new 5170 (much higher than the 5070 msrp for equivalent metal) that the event... 

Going the other way...

 
By: chris4 : June 30th, 2010-04:43
..thanks for the input, and those pics are stunning, loving the gold wrist shot, really hasnt helped my decision posting such nice pics! Decision made to go with the ALS as firstly there is a very big price differance if you go like for like...I was looki... 

So just to summarise then....

 
By: chris4 : June 30th, 2010-07:38
The ALS has a platinum case, the Patek in the 'similar' price range is yellow or rose gold,the movement in the ALS is made in house summing 556 parts & 45 jewels, the Patek 353 parts 24 jewels I do not know enough about movements to comment on the above d... 

good choice

 
By: Bruno.M1 : June 30th, 2010-08:09
I would go for the PP but if you want the Lange, buy the Lange. At the end it's just personal taste because both are great ! Just one remark, the number of pieces nor jewels has any influence on being a better or worse watch

Chris, the best bit of advise I ever had as a watch collector was this.....

 
By: Miles151 : June 30th, 2010-10:05
If you are unsure about something then sit back WAIT and then act....... This seems to be common sense but us collectors can be a little impulsive. It has been a great bit of advice for me and I know has helped me make the right choices on many occasions....  

Great advice!!

 
By: mcurtisal : July 1st, 2010-03:52
I fell victim to the impulse too many times and wound up selling later. I started having a "cooling off period" before purchasing and it kept me away from many hot watches that I would soon grow tired of. Now I stick with the classics and only buy when I'... 

Patek 5970 or Lange Dato Perpetual

 
By: henryhoe : June 30th, 2010-09:17
Choice is obvious. It must be the Patek 5970 in whatever metal. Suggest u gauge yourself at all the major Auction sites.You will come a a irreversible conclusion. Whilst the Lange Dato Perpetual looks very "solid" both in feel and weight starring it for l... 

PP

 
By: watch-er : June 30th, 2010-07:29
If investment is the concern, I believe the Patek over the Lange is the way to go.

investment

 
By: chris4 : June 30th, 2010-08:27
Investment isnt the driver, basically I have a few other watches & just wanted a perpetual chrono to keep, like many people who like watches i suspect the fascination of a perpetual calender ticking away is something of a great addition, must have som... 

Porsche 911

 
By: doublesix : June 30th, 2010-12:04
Most of the guys who buy BMW's, Mercedes, etc. have an underlying desire for a Porsche 911 in my view. Eventually they succumb. I think it is the same with PP. If you buy the ALS, are you sure that you won't be coveting a PP later? I am biased for PP and ... 

I Respectfully Disagree...

 
By: db darien : June 30th, 2010-13:30
Please link to my prior posting on this subject. I just lived this quandary and learned a valuable lesson from it, just not one you will agree with. I gave up my Patek because it wasn't the Lange I really wanted.... Regards DB Darien patek.watchprosite.co... 

Very interesting Reading...

 
By: chris4 : July 1st, 2010-00:55
It seems most admit to a huge amount of badge & branding in that thread, something I really try to avoid. I also disagree on the MW drivers aspire to Porsches etc, maybe its a bit of a culture differance, but I am in the U.K, Yorkshire to be precise, and ... 

you misunderstood my post but enjoy your ALS

 
By: doublesix : July 1st, 2010-06:38
I used a Porsche 911 not as a an example of its brand name but because of its superiority on the road as a performance car and its design. It's certainly the best car I have driven on the road. If I was only interested in a brand, I probably would have re... 

Thanks Wilson...

 
By: chris4 : July 1st, 2010-07:02
..apologies if I miscontrued what you meant. I understand cars as you say for the performance analagy, I do not understand your coverting a PP just becuase It is a PP, usually there has to be something to back up what it is you particularly like...It neve... 

This helped seal it for me also...

 
By: chris4 : July 1st, 2010-09:19
Not the best pictures admitedly, but I have tried to find one of the ALS to compare to the back of the PP as posted above....I think most will agree that whilst the face maybe open to debate on which one is preferable, I think the rears show a big lean to...  

Chris, my hearty congratulations to you..............

 
By: Topcat30093 : July 1st, 2010-11:56
On acquiring your new Datograph Perpetual. I fully agree that the movement in the Lange is probably imo, very nearly if not the best in the business. But If I had to choice (which I am pretty glad that I don't) I suspect the Patek may just about cross the... 

Wise choice

 
By: tahoeblue : July 5th, 2010-19:08
I am a big fan of both brands. Many collectors gravitate to Patek because it is Patek. But what a great watch and value you have in the Dato/perpetual. Given relative prices, that was the best purchase. Enjoy!!