Hi 👋 All, thanks for all your comments (positive, negative and anywhere in between) on Cubitus which

Nov 15, 2024,17:20 PM
 






spurred me, with support from knowledgeable Patek collectors, to perform research on how I think the Cubitus came about and its implications smile  This post is intended for sharing with members some historical perspectives of the developments of the Aquanaut and other references which IMO would be relevant on understanding the Cubitus.  Your thoughts/comments are naturally welcomed !


After the "emotional" start when information was released on Cubitus, I want to thank you all for being cordial in your posts and discussions.  As more of you get a chance to try these new watches, please share your experiences.  For me, it is a rare opportunity to be living through the launch of a new line for Patek as a Patek moderator, because in 1997, my Patek journey had not yet begun, even though I knew the brand was at the top.  Hence, comments from collectors/enthusiasts from different countries of various ages, cultures and knowledge regarding this post represent a great way to learn and understand more.     


When I first saw photos of Cubitus, I was a bit taken aback due to its unexpected shape.  However, I could not point to what I had wanted from the new line, except certain linkage to Nautilus.  After reading more reviews and seeing additional photos/videos, I got more accustomed to its looks, similar to me getting an acquired taste on uni (sea urchin, a yellow seafood usually served in Japanese cuisine), but was still sceptical on its 45mm size.  When I saw 5821/1AR with fellow member Esharp, I felt its thinness on the wrist and, although it was a bit big for my small wrist, I thought that I could pull it off without it being like a clock on me. smile










After seeing the 5822P and 5821/1A, they grew more on me, even though I still preferred the Nautilus and Aquanaut because of their smoother lines.  By talking to collectors who received allocations and explained their feelings, I decided to delve into the Patek history on shaped watches along with the Sculpture and Neptune watches with both having certain DNA from the Nautilus.


Given Thierry's wish to create a square watch, my thinking is that he had known that non-rounded pieces (other than Nautilus and Aquanaut) are usually not the most popular ones, although they are interestingly unusual from a visual perspective.  Since Cubitus is his first new line, he wanted to make a statement piece because it would be his legacy.  As the fourth-generation owner, Thierry needed to create a watch that has Patek DNA and lineage that he felt would resonate with changing tastes of collectors, similar to what his father did in 1997 when Aquanaut was launched for sportier and younger collectors.  The newer collectors now are influenced by social media which has become part of our society.  Should Patek adapt to the new world, stick to old traditions, or try to strike a balance ?  What would you do if you owned Patek and what design would you have made for a new sports line ? 


When Nautilus was launched in 1976 as the most expensive watch using steel, it took a while before it became popular because of its shape and material.  In 1996, when the 5060S (Aquanaut's predecessor without the left ear of Nautilus and a crown protector which seemed like a smaller right ear) was released, it was within the Nautilus line.  It seemed that Patek was testing whether a similar shaped watch to Nautilus deserved a new line.  I find the Aquanaut very similar to Nautilus in that the dial and bezel have the same shape with the key differences being in the ears and rubber strap.




Finally in 1997, the 5060A became the first piece of Aquanaut line.  Based on articles and comments from long-term Patek collectors, Aquanaut had mixed reviews initially but took quite quickly.  The younger sibling is now regarded as a very desirable line that stands on its own.




5065 👆


In 1996, another new elegant sports line, Neptune (5080, 5085, and variants over the years), was launched.  It had less DNA to Nautilus vs Sculpture, but retained some similarities in terms of integrated bracelet and a small ear/crown guard on the right.    The Neptune line continued till 2002 and then was stopped, perhaps due to lack of ability to reach a target audience of significant scale.  On the other hand, Aquanaut was popular and thrived.    




Neptune 👆


In 1999, Philippe Stern launched the limited edition of the Sculpture collection which was not part of any line.  These sport watches had similar ears and integrated bracelet as Nautilus except with a round dial.  2,700 pieces were made exclusively for the first 6 months to Russia and from September 1999 they were distributed worldwide. Sculpture did not seem to become popular but they had the DNA of the Nautilus line.  In spite of Sculpture, his Aquanaut line and other inventions (i.e. annual calendar and annual calendar with chrono) did make it big and he became a revered watch legend. 



Sculpture 👆


Getting back to Cubitus, IMO it is not a square Nautilus but a derivative of Nautilus with a true octagon shape.  Why did Thierry decide on this unusual design ?  I think he wanted to lead the market by launching a shaped watch that is historically not popular.  Other more pure square watches have been produced by Patek, such as the 2514 around 1950s and 2424 around late 40s.  I believe that he needed to push the market to a different direction as his legacy.  Patek owners are stakeholders and we together with new collectors will decide with our pocket books.  Similar to Aquanaut, Cubitus has a strong lineage to the iconic Genta design with a thinness which to me is comfortable on the wrist.  Naturally different complications will come out from this new line, just like travel time 5164 and chrono 5968 for Aquanaut.  How will they be received by the market ?  Time will tell.




2424👆



2514👆


In terms of Cubtus's large 45mm dial, I was at first perplexed why such a large size when the trend is going back to smaller sizes.  Putting myself in Thierry's shoes, I would like to go at the opposite direction of the industry to demonstrate the ability of the Patek brand to lead.  Whether Thierry will be successful, again time will tell.  

 

Much has been said about why the price point for an entry sports watch is so high at US$40k for steel.  My take is that, given the premium in the secondary prices for Nautilus and Aquanaut, Patek wants to keep some of the margins.  To me, this US$40k price is now the entry for steel sports under Cubitus in that Nautilus and Aquanaut will make more precious metal pieces.  At the end, Patek is a family business and it is here to make profits while providing us WIS happy journeys.

 

As a comparison, when AP launched the Code 11.59, there is a subtle yet loud linkage to the Royal Oak in that the mid case is an octagon.  Initial feedback (including me) was mainly negative for several years, but AP stuck it out with different iterations.  When the steel version came out with mesmerizing concentric circles in the dial, I was hooked and got the green version.  Now with various complications on the Code, such as star wheels and perpetual calendar with blue aventurine dial, this watch is beginning to gain traction.

 

Thanks for reading and let’s open it up for discussions.  

 

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Nice write up

 
By: TeutonicCarFan : November 11th, 2024-18:20
IMO it looks ginormous, that being said I like smaller watches. I was not a buyer of this or nautilus, not my style.

Thank you, Gordon, for this

 
By: Gwai : November 11th, 2024-18:39
highly interesting post, including reminding more knowledgeable readers of Neptune and Sculpture, of which I either have been ignorant of or which I forgot quickly after having set eyes on originally. The question remains, for me, though: If Mr. Stern set... 

There are many „open“ questions that people, watch and brand enthusiasts, „conaisseurs“, want to ansers themselves …

 
By: MCG (Markus) : November 11th, 2024-21:43
However „Thierry“ already gave us the answers. And they are straight forward! Apparently he himself is responsible for the design (sic), it was not fruitful to work with partners. Ok. Maybe he was not aware anymore that his best ever modern design was fro... 

Hi Markus, Thanks for your comments. Apparently Thierry and

 
By: GLau : November 12th, 2024-13:02
3 others worked on the design. His grandfather (I think) is the one who partnered with G Genta. His father took the Nautilus DNA and created Aquanaut which, to me, has the same case as the Nautilus, except for the ears. This time, Thierry has pushed the c... 

Sorry, appreciate your comment, but I am not convinced at all by the design!

 
By: MCG (Markus) : November 12th, 2024-21:18
Ps: the Aquanaut has not at all the same case. It is a totally different construction! That‘s why it has no ears, they are not needed here!

Hi Marc, glad that you enjoyed the post !

 
By: GLau : November 12th, 2024-12:51
To your question, my thinking is that Aquanaut has the same case as Nautilus except the ears. It differs in dial and rubber strap. Cubitus is quite different in terms of the shape of the case but has same bracelet. IMO, this truly octagon shape is a bit d... 

Comprehensive write up and analysis 🧐

 
By: Patekfinity : November 11th, 2024-18:45
The only issue I have with this release is the price…if this was suppose to be the new “sports” entry watch, $40k for a SS watch is priced way above entry level. I guess Calatrava is the new entry level for Patek…

Thank you for the educational

 
By: Chicolini : November 11th, 2024-18:56
and very thorough post. Appreciate your research. Nothing about this watch compels me. That being said I am happy that many are fond of it. I’m sure they will be quite pleased owning and wearing it.

Gordon thank you for your extremely interesting and scholarly presentation on Cubitus, including an historical perspective that makes

 
By: patekova : November 11th, 2024-21:30
Cubitus seem not so surprising after all. I found it particularly illuminating how Aquanaut, Neptune, even Sculpture and now Cubitus reflect a decades long effort by Patek to create offshoots and alternatives to Nautilus. (Reminds me a bit of a decades ol...  

PP lost their way when…

 
By: Mendezj49 : November 12th, 2024-02:04
…they started making dress watches with crown horns. I owned a wonderful Ref. 5130 but sold it because I felt the crown horns were an insult to an otherwise elegant watch (well, the push button was wobbly and provided a poor impression when pressing it, i... 

Interesting comments you made !

 
By: GLau : November 12th, 2024-13:11
I have the 5131 set and did not feel that the push button was wobby. If you do not like the crown guard, you should check out 5230 without the grown guard.

A valuable and objective post👏🏽.

 
By: ArmisT : November 12th, 2024-02:56
Gordon, I am interested to understand more of your sentiment about the Cubitus as an awaited new release from a storied brand. Because you mentioned your negative reaction to the Code 11.59, which I see as a comparatively ‘brave’ and innovative new releas... 

Thanks ArmisT for your encouragement !

 
By: GLau : November 13th, 2024-09:26
My difference in sentiment between the Cubitus and Code are due to several factors, 1) my Patek collection is more than AP and hence my understanding of each of the brand is not equal, 2) when Code first came out, I did not own any AP at that point and my... 

Your first picture says it all

 
By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : November 12th, 2024-05:55
It's not big, it's huge. Micheal Jordan seems to already own one, that's definitely the right wrist.

The size might not be

 
By: GLau : November 13th, 2024-09:28
suitable for many. Interesting to read feedback from Patekova below on this point. Have you tried it in the metal ?

Gordan thanks for such an eloquent write up on the evolution of Patek's models and your take on the Cubitus.

 
By: Huei : November 12th, 2024-07:59
Very interesting information on the Neptune and Sculpture as well as other square watches produced by Patek in the past. It is a pity that Patek did not produce more of the Neptune and Sculpture models as I also find them quite iconic. I found your analys... 

"Neutral and objective" made me

 
By: Gwai : November 12th, 2024-13:34
chuckle. A case is being made here for Mr. Stern and his design decisions. Informative, elaborate, yes. Subtle, maybe. Neutral, objective, no. According to my reading. Cheers Marc

Glad you had a good read Huei ! Your comment regarding square

 
By: GLau : November 13th, 2024-14:25
movement resonates with many others. Personally I wish not for a square but for an octagon movement if possible !

It’s marvellous

 
By: Marc2856 : November 12th, 2024-12:15
This is a very exciting add on collection to Patek Philippe given to the younger generation to own a piece which very elegant and sporty versatile watch. Try the watch on wrist, although is 45mm but sitting very nice and amazing. The finishing of the watc... 

A warm welcome to our forum ! How

 
By: GLau : November 12th, 2024-12:45
long have you seen reading on WPS ? Wish you get an allocation soon !😃 Are you the younger generation of collectors that Cubitus is focused on ?

Excellent write-up

 
By: jmpTT : November 12th, 2024-15:33
The superb Aquanaut 5167 is the third mainline iteration of the Aquanaut, evolving from the smaller 5060 and 5065. If we place the Aquanuat timeline on the Cubitus, we're still in 1997. The sheer size of the Cubitus is notable though. Combined with the sq... 

Thanks for the great read which expanded my knowledge of the brand. I didn't even know about some of these references. When it comes to design there is the type that is instantly

 
By: InDebtButOnTime : November 12th, 2024-17:00
likable and the type that needs to grow on you over time. To me this new watch might be in the second category. It's certainly not in the first. Part of it is the size which is pretty massive. This bucks trends and will exclude lots of folks but the same ... 

Glad that you expanded your understanding of the brand !

 
By: GLau : November 13th, 2024-14:33
If you have not seen it in the metal, please share your thoughts after putting one on your wrist.

Having spent some wrist time with each of the 3 Cubitus models this is how I feel about Cubitus generally and each model specifically:

 
By: patekova : November 12th, 2024-21:02
I very much appreciate that Thierry and Patek ventured to add a new line and to be daring and unpredictable. While historically rectangles, squares and other shaped watches were once extremely popular those days are long gone. Personally, I love vintage r... 

Well done…

 
By: Esharp : November 13th, 2024-02:21
Especially on reminding me of the 5085/1a. That was a great watch to my eyes - it’s only grown on me over the years…I should hunt one down 😜 Have to admit I’m still not quite convinced by the initial crop of Cubitī (it’s a second declension noun!); just t... 

Platinum looks good on you

 
By: cbb in honor of Chamnong Bhirombhakdi : November 13th, 2024-10:53
Thank you for another informative article. Patek coming out with this totally unexpected shape is acceptable for me. If it comes out with something similar to Nautilus or Aquanaut, there would still be strong criticisms anyway…probably saying Patek can’t ... 

Thank you for the excellent review, Gordon.

 
By: joenghenry : November 13th, 2024-14:41
I have seen and tried 5821/1A green dial in metal. To me, the name "Cubitus" has already explained the new collection line, which is a cube shaped Nautilus. I do like square or rectangular watch, especially a thin one. The size of Cubitus is indeed a bit ... 

Hi Henry, you need to see the Cubitus 1AR in the metal ! The blue dial is amazing !

 
By: GLau : November 13th, 2024-16:16
Please keep us informed and hopefully you will become the first member to have a Cubitus ! Looking forward to seeing your wrist shots soon !

What a comprehensive post! Thank you so much.

 
By: s_haverford : November 14th, 2024-05:08
The Cubitus line of watches has more to come and I look forward to more variations (size, complication, material, etc...)

Cubitus on a larger wrist

 
By: chris7509 : November 15th, 2024-17:57
Thanks for the article... Indeed Patek has like other done square watches in the past .... Here are some pics of the Cubitus on a large / larger wrist than yours. Now that i have seen it ... i m staying team Nautilus ...  

well ...

 
By: chris7509 : November 17th, 2024-21:03
As said i have seen and tried the Cubitus, and i believe it is not as nice as the original nautilus drawing. Looks big even for me Bit lazy as such, so for the moment i m still voting for the Nautilus ( waiting for one ) and will not change for a cubitus.... 

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By: Moses : November 15th, 2024-21:50
Thanks for the post. I tried all three models on yesterday. I have a large wrist. Not for me, they’re bigger than the photos suggest. Not elegant, big flat bezel, and the 5822P’s dial design is awkward and revealing of not having a movement designed for i... 

Thanks for this post

 
By: yming : November 17th, 2024-21:59
I finally managed to try the cubitus.. the 1AR version.. I didn’t like how it looked on my wrist - was way too big.. Perhaps a smaller size would look better

Thanks Yming for weighing in !

 
By: GLau : November 18th, 2024-00:32
The size is an issue for many. Let’s see when smaller sizes might be released. Perhaps for W&W in 2025 ? If smaller size, which one would you want ?

I am actually not too convinced

 
By: yming : November 18th, 2024-04:24
a smaller size would work better for this design I suspect the vertical and horizontal dial dimensions of the dial (eg measuring just the crystal from 12 to 6 and 9 to 3) is the same between the nautilus and cubitus.. you can see the date window of the 1A... 

Great write up, thanks

 
By: DOCSF : November 18th, 2024-18:35
I like the 5821/1A - 001 and 5821/1AR - 001. I decided to ask for a 5821/1A-001 as I own a 5980/1AR-001 I think they could have done better by incorporating Grand date to all models and not only to the 5822P

Thanks for weighing in ! The 1A will

 
By: GLau : November 20th, 2024-15:45
complement your 5980/1AR well. What do you like about the Cubitus ? Please show photos of double-wristed when you receive the watch.

Thank you for the post. The information regarding the sculpture is very fresh for me. Never heard of it.

 
By: ShowTime : November 18th, 2024-22:03
As for Cubitus… can’t understand the fuss around it. Looks like a regular PP product not better or worse than the rest (didn’t try in metal, so can judge only by the photos/videos). The only real drawback is that they don’t use a square movement. But for ... 

Glad that you enjoyed reading about the Sculpture !

 
By: GLau : November 20th, 2024-15:47
Would you want to hunt one down ? Also, please comment once you have had an opportunity to see Cubitus in the metal.

If you do not like date windows, then a good match for you

 
By: GLau : November 21st, 2024-16:26
would be a WorldTimer. My 5131P with a spiced up strap which my wife disapproves🤣 Patek 5131P ...  

Here is a photo

 
By: GLau : November 26th, 2024-12:43
showing spiced up straps for the 5131s Which one you prefer? ...  

Tried all 3 references on and liked the steel the best...

 
By: YpJ : November 20th, 2024-07:53
My wrist is about 16.5cm just for reference. I did not care for the Cubitus at all when I saw photos upon release but I changed my mind while handling one. It's sits so nicely on the wrist and there's a lot to take in visually even for a simple 3 hander. ...