Big hug Robert65. Hey, at least you have a nice dilemma, choosing between two very nice timepieces.

Jul 09, 2020,14:26 PM
 

I'm just of the opinion that the jury should not be tainted with opinions of those who are not invested in you personally (only someone who knows you and the watches are qualified to make an opinion on your behalf). A watch should be an expression of oneself. Look at creations from MB&F and Urwerk. They're definitely not intended for the mainstream and they're very individualistic. Success is definitely a wide ranging word. One can be financially successful and afford some of these watches and yet be unsuccessful in other aspects of life. For instance an individual could be financially successful and own multiple platinum watches but may not have a good relationship with his children. We've all had failures in our life. But to be able to this dilemma between choosing two platinum watches is a very nice problem to have. Maybe you don't feel very successful because you have very high standards. Hopefully you'll get there, hopefully I'll get there. Hopefully we will both get there. I've sent you a PM.


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Dress watch comparo: 5196p vs 5110p

 
 By: Robert65 : July 9th, 2020-12:40
Greetings - trying to find a platinum Patek that is thin (sub 10mm) and small diameter (37-38) which can be worn as a dress watch. I know the typical definition of a dress watch is a 2 or 3 hand (no date) very simple dial... and the World Time doesn't mee... 

If you're successful enough to be able to buy a Patek Philippe, don't you think you should trust your own gut instinct?

 
 By: patrick_y : July 9th, 2020-12:51
This isn't decision by committee you know... Why would you entrust strangers to make a deeply personal choice on your behalf? I suggest you try both of them on and see if either of them speak to you. Maybe neither are compelling enough which is why you're... 

Ouch Patrick...

 
 By: Robert65 : July 9th, 2020-13:14
Seen this nearly-verbatim response on other occasions and it's always a pin-prick to the eyeball. However, it's quite accurate. After re-reading my post, I do feel slightly shamed now for asking strangers opinions, and a little more ashamed for not feelin... 

How about this.

 
 By: Wristenthusiast : July 9th, 2020-13:25
I will reword your question in an attempt at shame reduction. Iโ€™m looking into a platinum dress watch and I love PP. Iโ€™ve narrowed it down to 2 models that are in my price range and both seem wonderful. But as I have not owned either, Iโ€™m looking for feed... 

Well worded!

 
 By: Robert65 : July 9th, 2020-13:27
Concise, informative, elegant! Best, Robert

I've taken the liberty to adjust the final sentence of your post to reflect Roger.goodgion's suggestion!

 
 By: patrick_y : July 9th, 2020-15:51
I like his wording too. And hopefully you get more facts this way.

I've taken the liberty to adjust Robert65's post with your suggestion!

 
 By: patrick_y : July 9th, 2020-15:51
Beautiful wording! I like it too!

Big hug Robert65. Hey, at least you have a nice dilemma, choosing between two very nice timepieces.

 
 By: patrick_y : July 9th, 2020-14:26
I'm just of the opinion that the jury should not be tainted with opinions of those who are not invested in you personally (only someone who knows you and the watches are qualified to make an opinion on your behalf). A watch should be an expression of ones... 

Love hugs!

 
 By: Robert65 : July 9th, 2020-14:41
Thanks!

Here's one con about the 5110P and one potential con about the 5196P

 
 By: patrick_y : July 9th, 2020-15:57
The 5110P has the 240 caliber. One of my favorite calibers because it has a micro rotor movement! I just like micro rotors, no particular reason why. While micro rotor watches are super cool, they are less efficient. The 240 caliber only winds in one dire... 

Patrick, I no longer feel ashamed.

 
 By: Robert65 : July 9th, 2020-14:40
My self-asteem is slowing rising! Best, Robert

The 5110P will work.

 
 By: amanico : July 9th, 2020-12:51
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Merci, Patrick. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : July 9th, 2020-12:52

Very nice Nico

 
 By: Robert65 : July 9th, 2020-13:18
Thank you for sharing!

These are two big favorites of our site, I really think you can't go wrong with either..Having said this, between the two I'd probably go for the 5110, for me it's just on a higher category.

 
 By: FabR : July 9th, 2020-13:05
Just to present both sides, however, one pretty big point for me in favor of the 5196 would be its potential availability via an AD, since it's still in the regular collection. Even though I don't have anything in principle against buying second-hand (wit... 

Thanks Fab

 
 By: Robert65 : July 9th, 2020-13:17
Also, the 5196p has the platinum deployant and the clear caseback going for it...

Oops - got that wrong!

 
 By: Robert65 : July 9th, 2020-13:23
The 5110p has those attributes - not the 5196p.

Both are great

 
 By: jaychang777 : July 9th, 2020-13:09
But I do have a 5196P available to go immediately

Jay - you are referring to the sale of a 5196p?

 
 By: Robert65 : July 9th, 2020-13:18
Not sure I understand?

Hi Robert, yes sorry about the confusion

 
 By: jaychang777 : July 9th, 2020-13:22
I have one listed in the forums here! Haha

A pure dress watch...

 
 By: w220 : July 9th, 2020-13:25
A pure dress watch should be as simple as possible, hence my vote would be for the 5196P.

W, that's true. The 5196p is simpler.

 
 By: Robert65 : July 9th, 2020-13:29
In that regard, the 5196p is a quieter dial. Best, Robert

5110 for me

 
 By: jleno : July 9th, 2020-13:52
The solid case back on the 5196 is a deal breaker.

Let me help you with some of these photos

 
 By: Clueless_Collector : July 9th, 2020-14:04
but honestly I would love to own the 5110p as well because it's different and PP WT is best! You won't go wrong with either but like Patrick suggested, wear it and feel them, you'll know right away. ...  

Yes! I almost had a chance to own the 5110P but got the 5960P instead because someone was faster :)

 
 By: Clueless_Collector : July 9th, 2020-14:07
I'm constantly on a lookout for a PP WT and this 5110P is very high on the list.

Beautiful photos

 
 By: Robert65 : July 9th, 2020-16:14
and impressive glace on your dress shoes! Best, Robert

Get the 5110P

 
 By: watch-er : July 9th, 2020-14:44
The 5196 series while very popular really needs an upgrade in terms of increased movement size to balance the perspective of the dial. This is probably coming very soon.

Have had both one your wrist? Thats the best test if itโ€™s possible to do ๐Ÿ‘

 
 By: FRAMII : July 9th, 2020-14:49
The 215 movement is in my opinion the wrong movement for the 5196 so big surprise if it was me I would go for any WTers ๐Ÿ˜‚

I would choose the 5110P

 
 By: sham1 : July 9th, 2020-15:52
For me, it is the nicest size world timer and it has a useful complication should you travel a lot. Also the guilloche on the dial is an added attraction. The 5110P has a basic 215 movement but you will own a manual winding watch which for me personally t... 

Sham, alas if the choice is 5110p it will be pre-loved...

 
 By: Robert65 : July 9th, 2020-16:46
but since I've already had the distinct pleasure of buying new from a Patek boutique (and enjoyed it immensely) - I have no issues at all purchasing pre-loved. Best, Robert

That is what happens when one

 
 By: sham1 : July 9th, 2020-17:11
writes half asleep! My mistake Nico, I has meant the 5196P!

5110P for me in a heartbeat.

 
 By: Pretty Boy : July 9th, 2020-15:53
Itโ€™s a beautiful and truly iconic PP. Best, V.

You canโ€™t go wrong with either, but I have a soft spot for this one ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

 
 By: Miranda : July 9th, 2020-17:50
For transparency I donโ€™t own either Good luck in you deciding Maybe one day you can have both ๐Ÿ˜ƒ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป ...  

I would go with the 5110P.

 
 By: Horo_Traveler : July 9th, 2020-19:42
But the 5196P has its own charm. Also, I find the 5110P dial to be not not as legible, as the hands get washed out on the dial depending on the light. All that said, it has real charm and romance. ...  

My choice was easy...

 
 By: SRG : July 9th, 2020-21:22
I would choose the 5196P. I think it is one of the nicest "simple" watches available. I would not choose the 5110, because I have a difficult time reading it. As my eyes have gotten older (along with the rest of me), I cannot read the small print. Also, t... 

They wear very differently on the wrist

 
 By: blau : July 10th, 2020-04:07
Despite numbers that are very close to one another! I think that's an important thing to consider. The 5110 dial is smaller and much more intricate, so it feels *even* smaller. The 5196 dial is wider and plainer, so it feels much more expansive. The 5110 ...  

I have seen both pieces and each is a great choice ! Although both can be worn as a dress watch, IMO the ...

 
 By: GLau : July 10th, 2020-08:44
5196 is more dressy. The 24 hour ring of the 5110, along with its more complicated function, has certain charm/magic to it that is very special, whereas the 5196 is simply classy and typical Patek DNA. In the end, it comes down to your feeling on it on yo...