Patek Philippe

is about a zillion times better, nicer, more important than any Nautilus. The 5712 and 5980 may be hot today because the demand is big but don't forget that one day there will be 'enough' of them. Want an example ? Look at the prices for the Rolex green s... 

(my choice would be the white gold for both) is far better, IMO, than the 5980 or the 5712. Bob

...... I agree ...white gold or Platinum.....no doubt . Yellow gold only for Breguet Tourbillion...and Patek Vintage.....what do you think ?...  

lovely Breguet tourbillon by the way. Strange, having such a collection and not being able to get a 5980 or 5712 pretty fast. If you bought them from an AD I would start looking for another AD