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I do see your point
Feb 27, 2022,13:41 PM
and I agree that with your way of reasoning it is likely that you would get more recongnition. However my experience is that if you come with a watch (or a car) that is seldom seen "live" but only in magazines you will get recogniton as well and that will come from people who are really interested and for that reason perhaps more stimulating to interact with.
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Does he know what is on his wrist,
By: Thomas_3 : February 26th, 2022-21:42
or could it just be the "watch of the moment" to him? Granted, he may know more about watches than any man alive. Personally I think a lot of rappers, entertainers etc. wear what seems to be fashionable at the time. Maybe I'm all wrong on this.
You could be right!
By: patrick_y : February 26th, 2022-22:17
They do seem to go after whatever is hot at the moment!
True!
By: patrick_y : February 26th, 2022-22:19
You're right, I agree. Patek Philippe wasn't a truly big secret. But it was virtually unknown to the vast majority of the public. 10 years ago, the only brands people knew for watches were primarily Rolex, Omega, and Seiko. Today, Patek Philippe is much m...
I always thought of Rolex....
By: InHavenPro : February 26th, 2022-21:48
as the 'poster' brand for your analogy. Do I mind any brand obtaining greater visibility/exposure through mass-media product placement and general advertising? Of course not, as they say, no publicity is bad publicity.... With this said, does that drive m...
It's definitely no longer limited to Rolex...
By: patrick_y : February 26th, 2022-22:23
Rolex has been very mainstream for many decades. But Patek Philippe is a more recent phenomenon as it's now very familiar amongst the general public, not just the more affluent general public. Signor Armani is definitely correct in many ways. The word "lu...
And, happening to work....
By: InHavenPro : February 26th, 2022-22:27
in the real estate business at this point in time, 'luxury' branding is extremely over-used when it comes to residential real estate, especially apartments and condominiums - almost every other building, regardless of its physical condition, is touting 'L...
Agreed...
By: patrick_y : February 26th, 2022-22:41
There's no universal standard. I was once in a less advanced country staying at a five star hotel that I found just intolerable. The hotel staff came to me and asked why I was so difficult as this was a five star hotel. I asked the staff member how does h...
x)))
By: InHavenPro : February 26th, 2022-22:50
Einstein's relativity applies all over the spectrum of business services and products ........
Thank you for sharing your opinion!
By: patrick_y : February 26th, 2022-22:31
I agree. It shouldn't detract me from enjoying a Patek Philippe. BUT... at the same time, the overdone hype is causing me to enjoy it less, it's also causing me to fear for safety, I can't wear the watch in many neighborhoods anymore. And the fact that ra...
Given the limited production and availability I find it tough
By: Steve E : February 26th, 2022-21:56
to consider Patek mainstream. When I bought my 5711 in 2012 you could just walk into the AD, hand over the plastic, and take the watch home. I liked it that way and the Nautilus was my primary daily wear for the next 5.years. Didn't matter to me who saw i...
It's getting pretty mainstream.
By: patrick_y : February 26th, 2022-22:28
Back in the day when people made their first million, they would say they wanted a nice Rolex watch. Today, a Patek Philippe is very often mentioned as well. High school kids who listen to rap music know what a Patek Philippe is today and its place at the...
Thanks for framing mainstream in terms of awareness.
By: Steve E : February 26th, 2022-22:46
I agree for sure brand awareness has gone staight up with Patek. And sadly I have recently felt a heightened awareness about personal safety wearing certain watches. Before it never even crossed my mind, but in the past year now I think about it.
You are a prudent and cautious individual!
By: patrick_y : February 26th, 2022-22:56
And yes, personal safety is now an issue while wearing certain watches. Even Beverly Hills which used to be renowned as a safe destination can be dangerous for diners at a pasta restaurant near Rodeo Drive simply because one of the guests wore a Richard M...
I understand your point, generally Switzerland is very safe but ..
By: christianch : February 26th, 2022-23:53
some Patek models can attract unwanted attention especially when travelling. This was not the case a few years ago but now, with the crazy hyped prices, it is easy to see how it could get dangerous. One of my latest acquisition goes in a totally different...
Over the years, I feel Geneva is less safe than before...
By: patrick_y : February 27th, 2022-18:42
Having been going to Switzerland for 20 odd years since I was a teenager, I definitely feel some cities have become worse in Switzerland. I mostly go to Geneva, and Geneva has definitely changed for the worse over the years. I've been to Zurich less, but ...
Most likely true...
By: mdg : February 26th, 2022-22:33
...but I still don't give a flying *&%$ about celebrity endorsements : )
You definitely won't go out of your way...
By: patrick_y : February 26th, 2022-22:37
But it may bring you some exposure to the brand. And familiarity with a brand makes one more likely to purchase that one. For instance, let's say you saw a Patek Philippe and a Vacheron Constantin, both are the same price, the same quality level, a simila...
Precisely, no publicity....
By: InHavenPro : February 26th, 2022-23:11
is bad publicity . As long as the messaging is out there, even subliminally, it is bound to have at least a minor impact overall....
I do not listen to rap music
By: Weems@8 : February 26th, 2022-22:41
I listen to 80 ties music. A bit Daftpunk, Bowie. Kraftwerk, Motƶrhead, Laibach, Bach, and Paolo Conte. The question, should watches be for watch savants? I have the opinion that the more people wear mechanical watches, the better. So i am glad as also hi...
LoL,
By: InHavenPro : February 26th, 2022-23:53
I don't find Omegas desirable because George, perpetually handsome, Clooney happens to be their 'poster-boy' xD.... or Nespresso hahahaha
Yes! Clooney does make everything look so much better!
By: patrick_y : February 27th, 2022-00:38
Always consider the source... Can s/he be an expert witness? I always ask myself, is George Clooney qualified to make a statement about watches? Probably not. Brosnan is more of a watch collector (among movie stars) than most and apparently he knows somet...
Hard to beat the monumental....
By: InHavenPro : February 27th, 2022-00:42
dependability of the VW Group.... And yes, my favorite RMs are mostly the ones he designed for Nadal, but my love for those pieces has nothing to do with Nadal, as good of a tennis player as he is . Great points, Filip
I totally think....
By: InHavenPro : February 27th, 2022-00:58
Lambos are the most reliable supercars, and some of the most daring and original designs. It's just that my tastes have always been more 'mature' in terms of what I felt comfortable with in public, and there's no argument that when you show-up anywhere in...
Very true! They are attention magnets!
By: patrick_y : February 27th, 2022-05:36
However, my fondness of the Lamborghini Huracan is entirely based on one thing, it's an amazing car, has everything I value in a sports car, and is very emotional with the way it drives. The steering isn't the best - could have more feel, the suspension i...
Unsurprisingly....
By: InHavenPro : February 27th, 2022-15:54
I have seen a decent number of them in recent times in West L.A. Some of them even being street parked due to their rather compact size. It's a great proposition, no question! Thanks for the engaging conversation, cheers, Filip
Well said FabR! That was a fabulous post!
By: patrick_y : February 27th, 2022-00:30
I hesitated posting this, as I felt it showed a potential bias of mine and that it was borderline anti-rap music, which is not an image I want to portray (anyone can listen to whatever kind of music they want as long as it's not too loud, in a public plac...
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By: Gelato Monster : February 27th, 2022-08:10
Agreed...
By: patrick_y : February 27th, 2022-05:39
I'd say I'm not influenced by anybody... But I have to admit, sometimes members tell me to consider something, and I actually go look at it in the store, and I realize some watches that I never would have considered do have their merits!
I had this conversation earlier this month with another person...
By: patrick_y : February 27th, 2022-18:46
She insisted that she wasn't influenced whatsoever by any form of marketing. Her husband and I continued to show how she was slightly influenced and how Facebook and Google really GET YOU! She's not on Facebook, but even Google ad words get her! The best ...
Thank you for the kind words!
By: patrick_y : February 28th, 2022-07:23
The luggage hasn't seen the normal use due to COVID! But still like it! It's not any worse than my Rimowa! And it's 1/8th the price.
The cigarette burn?
By: patrick_y : February 27th, 2022-05:38
That's just his kind of behavior I guess. I'd speculate that he got it while being drunk or on some other worse behavior, but that'd be just pure speculation.
This is a very good post, thought provoking.
By: Mr.Gatsby : February 27th, 2022-08:33
The question: will going mainstream reduce desirability in the long run? I think there are pros and cons. Without giving it too much thought, Iāll like to rattle off on my humble 2 cents. The pros: 1. Becoming mainstream means more market awareness, and i...
I don't like rap music neither...
By: patrick_y : February 27th, 2022-18:52
Although while I personally don't like it, I definitely realize that millions of people do and it's a very large genre. Rap isn't likely the favored medium on WatchProSite, a more genteel audience than probably the average and median rap-music-aficionado....
You are a
By: Pelle_thorstenson : February 27th, 2022-10:40
star when it comes to raising interesting questions. For me it is important that when I spend my money on something I really appreciate I dont like to see it frequently with others. For example if I go to a wedding reception I dont want to see the same ca...
I do see your point
By: Pelle_thorstenson : February 27th, 2022-13:41
and I agree that with your way of reasoning it is likely that you would get more recongnition. However my experience is that if you come with a watch (or a car) that is seldom seen "live" but only in magazines you will get recogniton as well and that will...
So true!
By: patrick_y : February 27th, 2022-19:00
Thank you for your kind words... I try to come up with interesting topics. Forgive me when I come up with a boring one - it happens every now and then! You're definitely right about people wearing the same thing! I call it the "uniform." I was at a car ev...
I dont think there is anything wrong with more popularityā¦.
By: Watches_passion : February 27th, 2022-14:54
But Patek is not and cannot be mainstreamā¦ with 60K watches a year, this is a very small number compared to who wants a Patekā¦ Ferrari has the same positionā¦ a lot of popularity but limited accessā¦ I think this is good for the brandā¦ However, the biggest ...
Thanks for an interesting post !
By: GLau : February 27th, 2022-17:31
For me, I cannot remember when and how I learned about Patek many years ago. This brand has always meant tops for me even way before I could afford a piece. As long as Patek continues not using paid Ambassadors, I continue to be loyal to Patek. If rappers...
By: Rajosa : February 27th, 2022-23:35
I would have no idea who this guy was but assumed athlete, actor or other entertainer. Just some observations from looking at the picture: 1, Obviously flexing/showing off his Patek in the most non subtle way. 2, Wearing sunglasses in a dark room. 3, Guy ...
I don't know how much
By: gqmagic : February 28th, 2022-17:38
H knows about watches but he knows very little about how to treat a cut or burn. Some ointment and a bandage causes cuts and burns t miraculously heal. Uncovered no so much. As far as the watches being worn by new money athletes and entertainers goes, thi...
I used to say Not In My Back Yard too...
By: patrick_y : February 28th, 2022-18:37
I used to actively avoid brands that were in vogue by rap musicians. When I heard that the rap musicians were conquering Burberry, I was thinking I might have to stop patronizing Burberry or else I'd look like a follower of pop culture influence. The prob...
So many clever things
By: MTR : March 1st, 2022-07:22
have already been written here that my answer seems almost too ā¦ simple. 1. Patek makes some fantastic watches (and some almost out of this world). 2. Patek nowadays (not in the past!) fuels the hype itself and flirts with greed and new wealth (keywords: ...
Thank you for the kind words!
By: patrick_y : March 1st, 2022-08:42
Patek Philippe is definitely happy about all the auction results. It's free marketing to them! Thierry Stern is probably thinking... "I sold that Nautilus to the dealer for 20,000 Francs, the dealer sold it to the customer for 35,000 Francs, and the custo...