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Oct 16, 2020,04:22 AM
 

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Hi All, This post explains why, if I had to choose, I would prefer the enamel map of 5131G over the 5131R.

 
 By: GLau : October 13th, 2020-07:30
In an earlier post I mentioned my preference. www.watchprosite.com Other than the geographical depiction on the map, I like an enamel dial that strikes a balance of 1) as many colors as possible, 2) bright colors where appropriate to make the dial...  

i love the R

 
 By: Passionata_george : October 13th, 2020-08:09
not only since I own the R but my preference was (right after the enamel dial ) the colour of the case material, i m a sucker for rose gold . The differences you ve mentined are noticable under high magnification and these dials are ALL magnificent as soo... 

Always great to see cloisonné dials.

 
 By: russell996 : October 13th, 2020-08:49
Not sure I follow the differentiation you are making since there are such drastic differences between the dials R to R and G to G due to the process. I would say the G in your photos seems to have a lot of air bubbles in the enamel which is unusual? Not s... 

Hi Russell, IMO they are big differences in terms of gradations :-)

 
 By: GLau : October 14th, 2020-07:48
I asked Patek about the bubbles and Geneva confirmed that they are within the tolerence of quality control.

Well Gordon, we will have to agree to disagree.

 
 By: russell996 : October 14th, 2020-09:47
I don't see the anything in the many photos I have seen that suggests there are smoother transitions in the G compared to the R except to agree that some R's have a hard brown area at about 10 - others do not. I will dig out some high res photos.

It is fine to agree to disagree Russell

 
 By: GLau : October 14th, 2020-10:07
For the record, you are disagreeing with me and Henry 🤣

And some R don’t have snow [nt]

 
 By: Patekphilippecollector : October 16th, 2020-04:21

Please show photos of...

 
 By: GLau : October 16th, 2020-06:34
R without snow ❄️!

5131r and dial variance

 
 By: Alanbstern55 : October 16th, 2020-10:17
I have a very early example of a 5131r and mine has no snow. I don’t know how to post photos

Hi ! Are you using your computer or mobile

 
 By: GLau : October 16th, 2020-10:30
device to post photos ? Simply use the button at the end of the post to update photos from your mobile ablums. Look forward to seeing yours !

Hi Russell, Hope your broad shoulders can...

 
 By: GLau : October 16th, 2020-08:20
balance Henry, Patekcollector and I.

Dear Gordon, I agree that G has more variation of colours and the transition between colours is more gradual, therefore looks more sophisticated.

 
 By: joenghenry : October 13th, 2020-09:03
On the other hand, R has more vivid and high contrast colours, especially the initial version like Russell's one. However, the colours transition of R is more abrupt. Personally I like G a bit more than R, as the grass next door is usually greener.

Thanks Gordon for the nice comparisons...I'm also not sure whether this difference in gradation depends on the reference or the models considered, but both are obviously fascinating pieces.

 
 By: FabR : October 13th, 2020-09:04
My slight preference is for the R though, mainly because of the case color (as I already have the P in white). Thanks for some great pics! ;-)

Hi Fab, you are most welcome ! Since you prefer the R, you now MUST...

 
 By: GLau : October 14th, 2020-07:51
get the R then ! Let me know if you want me to help you get one.

Thanks my friend, any gift is always welcome ;-)) Seriously, I might (possibly) ask/apply for a 5231R, but having the 5131P (favorite case and metal) doesn't motivate me as much...

 
 By: FabR : October 14th, 2020-09:11
All WTs are of course great pieces, but I would't mind another "special" rare handcraft at the moment... let's see what the future brings at retail! ;-)

Hi Fab, what kind of...

 
 By: GLau : October 15th, 2020-09:23
special rare handcraft are you seeking ?

Hi Fab, do you mean there are...

 
 By: GLau : October 15th, 2020-10:08
new ones from rare handcrafts coming out soon ?

WhatsApp sent. [nt]

 
 By: FabR : October 15th, 2020-10:13

Give us your...

 
 By: GLau : October 15th, 2020-11:03
WhatsApp then ! 🤣

Hi Nicetomeetyou, thank you and glad that you found it educational ! :-) Actually given each is hand made, each is ...

 
 By: GLau : October 14th, 2020-08:02
truly unique ! Please read my earlier post and others' comments with my replies to understand more www.watchprosite.com

Super sweet ! [nt]

 
 By: liborguy : October 13th, 2020-13:39

thanks liborguy ! Hope you have been...

 
 By: GLau : October 14th, 2020-08:03
poisoned with enamel now !

Both are Amazing piece

 
 By: Next : October 13th, 2020-19:27
So which team is responsible for R and J? I thought all done by Anita P.

Hi Next, Anita and her team is responsible for G and P perhaps with another team

 
 By: GLau : October 14th, 2020-08:05
The original J makers were a mother and son team, and perhaps they also made Rs

Incredible comparisons Gordon

 
 By: JTCL : October 14th, 2020-10:27
Given that the enamels are done by hand by different teams, I wonder if you can comment on other aspects such as the accuracy of shapes and shades

Hi JTCL, glad you liked my post ! Here is a link to an...

 
 By: GLau : October 14th, 2020-10:43
earlier post by me and my exchanges with Patekova that explain the differences. Let me know if you have other comments and/or questions.

Awesome details

 
 By: Chiranuj Bhirombhakdi : October 14th, 2020-19:22
This really shows how seriously & knowledgeably you are with your time pieces

Thank you cbb for your ...

 
 By: GLau : October 15th, 2020-08:43
kind words ! I am just an addict / slave ! 🤪

Do I have to say which iprefer [nt]

 
 By: Patekphilippecollector : October 16th, 2020-04:22

That’s some serious macro action!

 
 By: Esharp : October 20th, 2020-05:51
Honestly I think they’re all lovely...clearly my connoisseurship has some way to go! Congrats to Gordon our resident cloisonné expert, this kind of detailed examination and knowledge (and the conversation around it) is superb and the kind of content that ...