A special request for our community members that own a Moonshine: . . .

 By: Dr No : January 30th, 2020-09:33

. . . would you be willing to participate in a ten-day 'on-the-wrist' timing test?

The reason I ask is because the cal 3861 represents a third-generation Professional movement that should in theory perform exceptionally well.  There are enough owners in this community for a meaningful conclusion to be drawn. 

Can all 2019 Apollo 11 owners reply in this thread?  I realize most, if not all, of you wouldn't normally wear your Moonshine for ten straight days, but if you're all amenable, we'll be able to provide the entire Omega fan base with food for thought.



It’s an interesting idea Art....

 By: Cpt Scarlet : January 30th, 2020-09:54
I just need to contemplate having it on my wrist for 10 days. 

Same here. I guess it is going to be hard.

 By: radone : January 30th, 2020-12:40

If 10 days is too much, 3 days is better than nothing... πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ˜… [nt]

 By: MCG (Markus) : January 30th, 2020-12:42
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hi Art, you could also include the members with the Apollo 11 50th Anniversary in SS as well since it also uses the 3861 caliber...

 By: holdemchamp1225 : January 30th, 2020-11:24
as for a 10 day on the wrist timing test, that is asking ALOT of me since I change watches daily and sometimes twice a day smile

I could try and do a weekend or 3 days BUT 10 days is torture

Unfortunately i don't own one,

 By: raymond74 : January 30th, 2020-11:55
but I was allowed to see, feel and handle it by one of our forum-menbers.
What a magnificent piece!
All the lucky owners out there, congrats!!!

If 10 days is too much, 3 days is better than nothing... πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ˜… [nt] [nt]

 By: MCG (Markus) : January 30th, 2020-12:44
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True, true. But . . .

 By: Dr No : January 30th, 2020-15:09
. . . we should try for meaningful data that will stand up to scrutiny. 

I realize ten days amounts to a torture test.  I'm also confident every volunteer will survive.

Excellent suggestion. I am curious to see the outcome. [nt]

 By: amanico : January 30th, 2020-12:45
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I hardly wear this MG watch unless for occasions or dinner events but like some members suggested, the SS model also has 3861...

 By: Clueless_Collector : January 30th, 2020-14:09
What is the requirement on winding the watch? Daily?

Check against iPhone Clock? smile I don't have any official timing tool.

I also suggest <10 days since I don't have it at home, need to make trips to bank.

I realize this is a daunting request, gents, but . . .

 By: Dr No : January 30th, 2020-14:26
. . . this is a community known for sharing and caring.  There's at least half a dozen Moonshines (and thanks, Bruce, for mentioning the steel Apollo 11) here that would form the basis of a reasonable sample population.

Omega must've experienced extensive internal discussion, not to mention expense, to decide in favor of updating the Professional movement.  Ten years ago, Stephen Urquhart mentioned in an interview that eventually all Omegas would transition to a co-axial escapement movement except the Professional.  Now, it exists.  There had to be a decision taken by Omega management to develop a co-axial escapement movement for the Pro, and that decision was probably driven by data.

We have an opportunity to validate their decision.  And this is just the community to do it.


To get a good data...

 By: Clueless_Collector : January 30th, 2020-14:51
You need to define some standard conditions, plus some variables or acceptable windows smile
I came from an Engineering background so it’ll be easier if you set the process and procedures for us to follow.

We can discuss those details . . .

 By: Dr No : January 30th, 2020-14:55
. . . after we get our volunteers.


For now, I'm looking for as many brave and hardy souls as possible.  The more, the better.

I have taken up the challenge Raymond...

 By: holdemchamp1225 : January 30th, 2020-14:56
at least I will try and see how it plays out.

For parameters, this is what I suggest:

1. Wind the watch once per day (24h cycle) at or around the same time every day to be consistent

2. Wear the watch as much as possible during the day regardless of activity, unless the activity could damage the watch.

3. I suppose most people take off their watch when they sleep so that would have to be a factor

If anyone would like to add anymore parameters that I have missed, please feel free to do so.

Vary resting position dial up Day 1, then dial down Day 2 . . .

 By: Dr No : January 30th, 2020-14:58
. . . and repeat thru Day 10.  Reasonable?

Sounds reasonable but how about crown up and crown down as well ? [nt]

 By: holdemchamp1225 : January 30th, 2020-15:00
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Ten isn't divisible . . .

 By: Dr No : January 30th, 2020-15:11
. . . by four. 


Also, it's tougher to do consistently unless you have a proper jig.  And I doubt any of us have one.  But dial up / down should be do-able for everyone.

Then how about 8 days to make it even for each of the 4 positions ? [nt]

 By: holdemchamp1225 : January 30th, 2020-15:14
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. . . or twelve - even better! . . .

 By: Dr No : January 30th, 2020-16:07
. . . but seriously, it'll be difficult to consistently maintain perpendicular position without a dedicated jig. 

Your point makes sense so I will make the effort and see how long I can last starting first thing tomorrow...

 By: holdemchamp1225 : January 30th, 2020-14:51
this will probably be the longest period I have gone or will go wearing ONLY 1 watch so no promises πŸ˜…πŸ€£πŸ˜‚

I will try and report back by starting a separate thread with current status and timing as it happens πŸ‘

That's the spirit! Attaboy, Bruce. You can be . . .

 By: Dr No : January 30th, 2020-14:56
. . . our team leader. 


Team leader about I just try and not go crazy wearing one watch for more than 2 days πŸ˜‰ [nt]

 By: holdemchamp1225 : January 30th, 2020-14:58
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I would like to second that nomination :) [nt]

 By: Seeks : January 31st, 2020-07:36
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Try and download an atomic clock app as it would make it easier for accuracy [nt]

 By: holdemchamp1225 : January 30th, 2020-15:06
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Moonshine speedie back at Biel

 By: BWA : January 30th, 2020-23:08
My brand new Moonshine Speedie is back at Biel HQ since it stopped one morning on a full wind. So much for an 'advanced movement' that is a 'master chronometer' that went to the moon and back. They are still checking it. TOTALLY DISSAPOINTED WITH THE EXPERIENCE AT THESE EXORBITANT PRICE POINTS...

Sorry to hear that you've had a problem with your Moonshine...

 By: holdemchamp1225 : January 30th, 2020-23:40
so far, I have not had any problems BUT I can assure you it has nothing to do with this specific model as I have had problems with several NEW watches from AP, Blancpain, Patek, Rolex, and Vacheron which also had to be resolved under warranty. Many of those that had to go back were more costly than the Moonshine so I don't think the price point dictates the chance of movement failure. Unfortunately, that comes down to bad luck.

I hope Omega resolves the problem for you swiftly and you receive your watch soon so as to enjoy it as was the original intent.

Fingers crossed..

 By: BWA : January 31st, 2020-07:58
Yes, I hope so too. I have also had Vacherons, Langes and Panerais go back so didn't expect it from Omega after all the hype for this one...

I'm receiving it back today...

 By: BWA : March 3rd, 2020-18:06
The Omega official who spoke with me on my watch said that I must turn the crown just once and then wear the watch. It will wind itself up with the wrist movement and there is no need to fully wind the watch up. I am very surprised by this suggestion since all manually wound watches need to be fully wound daily to keep them going I would appreciate if all Moonshine wearers share their experience. I am yet to try this out and will post my experience in the coming days.

Seriously? One turn of the crown, and no more? . . .

 By: Dr No : March 3rd, 2020-18:17
. . . I have a feeling this particular Omega official will soon be no more.

Haha, I was baffled too!

 By: BWA : March 4th, 2020-01:40
Its working fine now and it does need 30 to 40 turns like we all give our manuals.

Seems the man didn't used the right words to explain...well let's give him the benefit of the doubtπŸ˜„
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