'Pet Peeves', or annoyances, on watches. We all have them, what are your 'pet peeves' that keep you from buying a certain model/brand/type?

 By: DouglasM : September 9th, 2021-17:32

Mine would be white date wheels on high end watches, no matter what model we're talking about.  I'm not naming any names, but we all know some.  It may not bug you, and I understand that, but to me it's a deal killer in all but a very few cases (such as pilot watches that only have black and white on the dial, so a white date wheel seems fine)

Bell & Ross could teach a 'master class' in buying date wheels to exactly match their dials, and kudos to them. 

Chopard starting using color-matching date wheels going way back to their first (and stunning!) LUC 1.97 in 1997, here in the beautiful Metalem rose-engine turned guilloche salmon dial

IWC can be commended for getting their date wheel supplier to produce a perfect burgundy date wheel to match the stunning dial. 

Omega goes so far as to actually matching the texture of the date wheel, with the dial, as well as the same blue printing; they do the same on black dials where they get silver printing to match.

Blancpain has been consistent in leading the charge on colored date wheels since Biver first took the reins, kudos to them. 

That said, what is your pet peeve and has it kept you from buying a certain watch, brand, or type of watch? 

Cheers and good health to all!


PS: in keeping with the date theme, I also have a pet peeve about the recent trend of using way too small of movement in a large case and keeping the standard date wheel, thus causing it to 'float' closer to the pinion of the dial.  Drives me nuts.....

(pictures below found off the 'net for illustration here)

Excellent thread!

 By: Lankysudanese : September 9th, 2021-17:40
1. Date wheels at the 4:30 position 
2. Date functionality that doesn’t automatically switch at midnight (slow changing)
3. Date functionality that can only be set forwards 
4. And, last but not least, having the date functionality in general. After all, this is a purist forum 😁😁😁

Another pet peeve of mine are long straight lugs, like NOMOS and Dornbluth & Sohne


 By: MTR : September 9th, 2021-22:57

There isn't enough time or space in the world : )

 By: mdg : September 9th, 2021-17:53

Like what Lankysudanese said....

 By: Clueless_Collector : September 9th, 2021-18:20
Date window at 4:30pm is a no-go for me...which is why I can't get any sought after APs smileP

Brands that makes models that I cannot tell them apart, like Panerai.

I also do not like imbalanced dial, a small seconds window on the the FPJ CBs and even ALS Sides step, but I can accept something like this, at least something on both sides.

My Pet Peeves

 By: Weems@8 : September 9th, 2021-18:21
Rolex deliver almost every watch on a bracelet.
Rolex never heard of a sapphire crystal case back.

AP thinks a Royal Oak is enough.

PP is afraid to come with modern watches.

Brand neutral Pet Peeves:
Complex strap attach systems, you can only chose what the brand delivers for the watch, you can not give a leather custom strap craftsman the order to make a nice unique strap for your watch.

Waiting when Montblanc comes with a fully branded Minerva.

The colored stone on a crown of a Cartier.

The fear IWC have to loose some water resistance when using a sapphire crystal case back on a Aquatimer.
Omega doesn’t fear it, even a Planet Ocean have a nice view on the movement.

Copycat behavior. Every brand comes with a sport steel watch.

Not a Pet Peeve for me, but many dislike this phenomenon,
Limited Editions for the sake of Limited Editions.

Limited editions

 By: mhz vph : September 9th, 2021-19:18
As weems said, a pet peeve for many, and certainly for me. I'm especially disappointed to see GS going down the limited edition route. If you're the type of person who heavily analyzes your options before a purchase, it makes that analysis impossible. By the time you've decided you want to buy one, they're already long since sold out. 

Movements too small for their case

 By: donizetti : September 9th, 2021-19:25
Looking at you, Girard-Perregaux.


Oh yeah, GP is a big offender here!

 By: DouglasM : September 9th, 2021-22:50

What I find really annoying

 By: VinnieD : September 9th, 2021-19:28
Is the lack of available product... it drives me crazy not to be able to walk into a store and just order a piece that I like.
Waiting 1 year or so would be perfectly acceptable but having to buy less interesting pieces in order to have the honour to be on the waitlist, I find this game really nasty

It’s really nasty indeed, rife for con artists too

 By: DouglasM : September 9th, 2021-22:51
The only silver lining is while money is chasing certain brands, other high end ones can be had for a bargain

Date windows that show more than the current date. Do they think we can't remember what comes before and after '5'?

 By: Emil Wojcik : September 9th, 2021-19:34
Just one example, but there are many out there...

photo from Tourneau website

Aren't they a way of showing the date when it's obscured by a hand?

 By: kjkt3 : September 9th, 2021-20:17

Exactly! The three-date-window is a useful complication.

 By: wover : September 9th, 2021-20:42

To me it's just a gimmick they can mention in their marketing. I'll never buy one.

 By: Emil Wojcik : September 9th, 2021-20:53

Integrated bracelets.

 By: Thomas_3 : September 9th, 2021-19:43

Great thread here. No hacking second. I want to set the exact time.

 By: toddg : September 9th, 2021-21:01

Absolutely, I agree.

 By: Thomas_3 : September 9th, 2021-23:19

Great thread, Douglas!

 By: MTR : September 9th, 2021-22:59
My personal pet peeves:

* cost-saving measures with simultaneous profiteering, especially:
• lovelessly produced movements without precision work in the high price (haute horlogerie) segment or
• movements that are too small in cases that are too large or
• calling rudimentary revised standard movements “in-house” or
• cheating in general
* hands, that are polished not on all sides
* standardized white date wheels that are built into as many watches as possible, regardless of whether the color matches the dial or not
* „Automatic“ written on the dial
* watch models from the diving watch segment with a water resistance of only 30m
* in general: watches with a WR less than 10 bar (especially if they are meant to be „sports watches“). A WR of 10 bar should be a minimum standard in modern watchmaking.
* concepts that are brought to market quickly, that are not well thought out and are driven by management and / or marketing departments that have no real passion for watches and could just as easily be active in the detergent industry
* artificial shortage
* etc


"Hands that are not polished on all sides"

 By: VinnieD : September 10th, 2021-06:56
That one made me chuckle. Your list of likeable watch brands is probably very short!

Hehehehe…. But I admit that laughter often gets stuck in my throat….

 By: MTR : September 10th, 2021-08:07
Unfortunately you are right, there are not many brands left but there are also always a few gems from almost every brand (I'm just thinking of my wonderful minute repeater from IWC from the good old days).

I definitely won't let myself be blinded by any marketing hype and artificial shortages and choose my individual pieces with a lot of thought and research. I just buy what I REALLY love and try to avoid annoyances.


Display backs on “tool” watches

 By: Mario : September 9th, 2021-23:12
And also on watches where the only thing that shows is the rotor and/or balance wheel.

Pieces that borrow designs heavily from the past but then “forget” to use a decent movement.. especially for those from their golden years..

 By: Echi : September 10th, 2021-00:49
An interesting example is the railmaster trilogy. An auto instead of a manual BUT then gets away with it because it’s still a decent omega co-ax movement. I still bought it in spite of my “rule” because it’s the closest to an RM I can get. Its’ probably why i’m hesitant to go with a Longines. Storied brand with accompanying movements esp the chrono. But then I wouldn’t mind if Oris put a Sellita on their divers 65 because they weren’t exactly about movements to begin with not to mention that they’re not as historic as Longines smile

My peeves

 By: roundel : September 10th, 2021-16:04
I do not like cathedral hands.
Non quick set dates.
Manual wind watches that are not comfortable to wind (Speedy pro)
Brand names that remind me of feces (Shinola)
Watch shapes that look like toilets (Towson Watch Company)
Too many contrasting fonts on a dial (IWC GST chrono)
Proprietary case opening wrenches.
Crowns that bite my wrist (GP R

I like your list. Proprietary case opening wrenches make me crazy; just imagine if that maker goes out of business

 By: DouglasM : September 13th, 2021-15:35

How about odd lug sizes

 By: mjcruiser : September 13th, 2021-01:36
19 - 21 -23 just are not necessary. Surely an extra millimeter will not ruin the golden proportions of the watch; and open up the options for the next strap.

Ugh, so agree with you here.

 By: DouglasM : September 13th, 2021-15:34
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