A brand I would have never considered buying, but after handling one in person, I'm reconsidering.

 By: Emil Wojcik : May 15th, 2019-13:18
OK, it's not a brand that shows up here often, and not a brand I would have ever considered buying in the past, but I stopped by my local AD and was immediately attracted to one specific watch.

The brand is Frederique Contsant, the model, a very attractive perpetual calendar that's amazingly affordable. Admittedly, if not for the low retail price (which is of course further discounted at the AD) I probably wouldn't consider it, but it's a rather attractive watch in person, much nicer than even the photos on the company's website, and I'm actually impressed.

42mm and 10.2mm thick including the domed sapphire crystal. It wears very well. Available in stainless, 18K rose gold, or gold-plated (no watch should be gold-plated IMO but who am I to judge?). I prefer stainless for all my watches.

Of course at this price point its movement is CNC made and decorated as are all the brand's models, but at least its made in-house and the movement is certainly not unattractive. The case and dial are also well made and simply styled, which I like.

So if I stick to my usual "buy what you love" philosophy, this watch fits the bill. But still not sure about the brand. Not necessarily a purist watch, but still a very nice perpetual for what it is. Opinions?

I don't know what else you have in your collection...

 By: LX : May 15th, 2019-13:36
but take the advice my wife gave when I was considering FC. She simply said: "Sure the price is good, but you will not wear it."
Also, if you are looking to quench a thirst for a new watch, remember one thing: The watch you bought "in-between" is always the most expenseive one because you will not wear it for long and you may not be able to sell it.

Your point is well taken...

 By: Watch_This : May 15th, 2019-13:55
I bought this FC before I got into higher end watches. I still love the look. Exhibition back and great deployent clasp.

But of late, when I need a luxury brown strap watch, I will more often than not wear this:

But I gotta be honest, that FC still gets a respectable amount of wrist time, and for people not in the know, they think it’s high end. I like mine a lot. Good value for the money.... so long as you wear it enough!


Thanks for the input, Drew. Good to hear from someone who owns one from the brand. Nice looking watch BTW (as is the PP but that's a given! LOL) [nt]

 By: Emil Wojcik : May 15th, 2019-14:19
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That's generally good advice and I've considered how much I would wear it and I'm actually sure it would see enough wrist time.

 By: Emil Wojcik : May 15th, 2019-14:12
My collection is small, maybe 15 or so watches, ranging from a worthless funky '70s digital through Breitling, Rolex, JLC, Jaquet Droz, AP, as well as some random vintage pieces. I usually change watches two to three times a day and have been doing so for 30 years, and I even wear the worthless funky '70s digital enough to make it worth owning. So I don't see that as a problem for me unless someone can come up with some reason I'm not thinking of regarding the brand or this model specifically. But I do appreciate the input!

If you really like it, why not? It is a serious watch fairly priced. I heard about it some months ago. [nt]

 By: amanico : May 15th, 2019-13:54
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Thanks, Nicolas. That's how I'm looking at it--being a perpetual, it's a "serious watch" for relatively little money. [nt]

 By: Emil Wojcik : May 15th, 2019-14:23
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So, it is the watch for you! [nt]

 By: amanico : May 15th, 2019-14:28
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Exactly Nicolas, FC manufactures a nice watch at a fair price.

 By: rwk : May 15th, 2019-18:28
Which let's us get into deeper trouble elsewhere ;-)

;) [nt]

 By: amanico : May 15th, 2019-21:57
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Nice FC...

 By: rwk : May 15th, 2019-18:29




I've recently had a discussion with someone about this specific watch

 By: dedestexhes : May 16th, 2019-00:27
And I think if you can overcome all the fuss about names etc, this is a very interesting package indeed. So I fully understand your statements.
Sure it will make you happy.


If you love it buy it but not because of the price which will be long forgotten. First impressions are usually the right ones. [nt]

 By: pmh6000 : May 17th, 2019-01:21
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FC--don't do it

 By: Mostel : May 18th, 2019-14:34
A copycat brand with no meaning. My 2c.

With that said, their choice of brands to copy are well-founded. Kind of like when Hyundai copies Benz.

In this vintag-y realm, go Montblanc! (pre-owned, perfect)

I think you're on the right track. A little perspective, here, for all...

 By: halgedahl : May 19th, 2019-08:14

As CNC machines have been mentioned in the OP, let’s all be aware of this:


“Our tour started in the basement, where components manufacturing takes place. Like any full-fledged watch manufacture, this involved multiple-axis CNC machines, spark erosion machines, metal lathes, and other machines.”


The Horophile, Dec. 19, 2013; A Visit to the F.P. Journe Manufacture  




“After machining, the calibre components are all hand- decorated like works of art.” 


“The initial bars of a range of raw materials are turned, drilled, and tapped by automatic lathes at over 6000 rpm.”  (Accompanied by photo of such a lathe with the automatic oiler liberally bathing the part in question to prevent over-heating.)


 Jaeger-LeCoultre website: The Art of Design,by Cristina




“Every component has to start somewhere. For things like springs and gears, CNC (computerized numerical control) machines etch the raw forms out of thin plates of metal, while larger pieces like the case are stamped out of larger blocks with industrial presses.”


From Bloomberg, Oct. 21, 2015; A Rare look inside Patek Phillipe’s Geneva Headquarters, by Stephen Pulvirent




Thus, it may be time to stop fretting about the degree to which computerized machinery (or materials, e.g. silicone!) is used in today’s top watch manufactories (if that’s the proper configuration of that term). Certainly the degree of consistency achieved, and the fantastic complexity of many of today’s finest timepieces would be patently impossible on any sort of large scale without updated technology. However, IF, like Roger Smith, a watch maker may content himself with the sale of only ten pieces per annum… Well, then; each will have its own minor differences, which will reflect the truly individual character of each piece. And for that slight bit of “roughness” one must be prepared to pay a pretty price, indeed. (Not an unfair one, I might add. IMHO, John Harrison earned every penny of the ~$20,000bps he wasn’t paid by the British government for his 19 years of perfecting that allowed his marine chronometer to guide Captain James Cook’s second and third world voyages. “Our never failing friend,” the celebrated explorer called it!)


At the other end of the scale, it seems to me the problem with Frederique Constant’s “philosophy” (crudely stated, “an $8K watch for $4K”) is that such a trumpeted boast invites negative blow-back from those of us who value quality, and therefore brings out the wrong sort of examination of its work. Which is, in fact, quite fine. Not on a par with Grand Seiko, no; not with Jaeger, nor with Vacheron. But FC produce quite nice time-keepers nonetheless—very well-executed, with an accurate and robust in-house movement developed long before everyone else at this price point decided it was necessary to formulate one of their own. Your FC Slimline PC’s leaf hands are particularly lovely; its dial has some welcome breathing room over the Montblanc (which it mimics; 42mm case vs 39mm), and the admirably accurate FC 755, while not the most beautiful caliber available for less than $10K is nonetheless “its own man.”  This is the point at which “Buy what you like, for heaven’s sake!” is really the only argument that makes any sense. 


Enjoy the hell out of owing a technical marvel!    FH

I had a look at the FC QP last week

 By: Westley Greenhalf : June 24th, 2019-05:10
I was quite impressed with the presentation of the watch, it's clean dial and nice fit. 

Oh… I'm so glad. And not because of my diatribe (which, not incidentally, I do believe in). Rather, because it is important to remain

 By: halgedahl : June 24th, 2019-07:49
grounded in this ever-spiraling hobby.
Cbb-in-honor-of-Chamnong-Bhirombhak's post of June 23 (5077P) perfectly illustrates my point. How unutterably beautiful these marquetry dials are! And if one had had his billions—OK, then, why not purchase a set of four? Yet at some point a moral bell begins to ring. Wouldn't one watch fit for a king be enough? I've no idea, of course, how I would feel had I been used to that level of wealth. And I do not mean to pass judgement. But how lucky we all are that true marvels (the QP) are available—well-crafted and quite handsome—at prices hovering around (or considerably under on the secondary market) $10K. That would be a figure that millions would save a lifetime to realize. And we should not dismiss their pride in owning such a prize.
Further, I feel FC "copies" other brands far less than some houses. In fact… Don't get me started on this business of "echoing" case shapes and dial styles! If that's one's beef, then a lot of digging will need to be done before turning up a fine example of an original this or that. And then, the watch won't necessarily be very reliable, due to age and materials used. We all must make our peace with various borders. I'm just happy you weren't massively disappointed in the FC! FH