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Either the post or the watch, if it is real, must be satirical. Or else Beat has been reading the beginning of Hegel's "Science of Logic" in which he elaborates the Doctrine of Being.

 

...that was most eagerly anticipated from a personal perspective. Heck, you owe it to us to dissect the philosophical underpinnings of this piece! Let's face it; who is better placed to tell us whether Hegel would have thought the aesthetics ideal, or whether Habermas would 'swallow' it? 

Would Kant have described the watch as phenomenon or noumena? Is there an ontological rationale for the existence of the watch - Beat can conceive of it, so it must exist??? Would it have stumped Stumpf? C'mon, chum, let rip!  

 

Cheers,

pplater.

Perhaps, or he could have just shaken his head and gone back to recording a sam sai.

I very much like the idea.  After a night of thinking about it, clearly the H8 is the object I would prefer to own and I think the more successfully executed art piece for the statement it is trying to make.  However, the H9 helps add context to the H8 that I think makes it more powerful.  In case it was not clear where Beat was going, it is crystal clear now.

Thanks Steve, this was my thought too. I wouldn't own the H9 in isolation, but as part of a series of Haldimann pieces - H1, H8, H9 - it is a very powerful statement.

And I am still thinking about it hours later, so it has obviously done its job!

Andrew

but wouldn´t it be nice to have a minute repeater inside?

Just a thought!

Oliver

 

I am fine and hope the same for you.

H9 with minute repeater - could be a killler piece for purists

Good to see you here and I took some pictures, which could be of interest for you ... stay tuned - TimeOut or Photography Forum in the next days.
... Just thought about you, when I took them.

Take care,
Oliver

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at TimeOut ...

Hope you like them.

Oliver

As for putting a minute repeater in the H9, it won't work because then the notion of time is not "challenge" and the whole idea fall apart.



Seriously I don't like this H9 thing. I call it a thing because is not a watch(time telling instrument). I'll categorize it under the same group as tourbillon pendant and watch movement cuff link.


... ... definitely not a watch ... ... it can't be ... ... (my head hurts)

Regards
Tyler

 

Is the black surface reflective, Valentin, as it seems to be in your wristshot? If so, it got me thinking about the mirror paintings of Michelangelo Pistoletto that reflect life back at you. Pistoletto also emphasised art in everyday life as the H9 does.

 

I like the idea of the H9 reflecting time back at you, with the beating heart inside. As I enjoy wearing two watches, and often turn the Reverso to the non-time-telling side when I don’t want to be reminded of the details of time passing, I could easily wear the H9 on one wrist and a more typical time-telling watch on the other.

 

But as I said in response to Steve, the H9 only ultimately works for me in the context of the H1 – H8 – H9 sequence. If I could only own one, I wouldn’t start with the H9.

 

I do appreciate your thoughts on the watch very much and I can’t wait for the comments/fireworks at Basel!

 

Andrew

 

A very unique concept that is unique to Herr Haldimann.

Be waiting to see it!

Stephen

 

Hope all is well VB!

-MW

  

more surprising coming from someone as talented as Haldiman.

Thank you for your write up Valentin but I can't understand the philosophy behind this piece. Does it at least have hands?

 

...an excellent thread, Valentin: congratulations for beginning the thread with an 'exclusive' for PPro's readers, and also for continuing the momentum with point and counterpoint. There can never be enough of this kind of exchange here; thank you for this one, and feel free to keep them coming with great regularity!

Cheers,
pplater.

 

...if and when the only intent is to provoke. I am reminded to some extent of the plague that was inflicted on my beloved San Francisco Opera several seasons ago with the arrival from Stuttgart of a new General Director whose goal was to "provoke and educate" the populace. What followed were five seasons of what in the Opera world is known as (sorry) "Eurotrash" -- black sets, with performers dressed in black trench coats, and staging consisting of a single red chair that would move from location to location -- with the intent of "challenging" the audience. We heard over and over again that "in Stuttgart, if they don't boo it isn't a success." My conclusion was that this was the unfortunate result of state funding of the arts, which led to the ability of spoiled brats to insult audiences with impunity.

I don't think that Beat is up to this (and certainly not Valentin!) but personally I have no interest in being talked down to by "artistes." I'll go with Beat as far as Schrodinger's still-audible ticking cat, but no further...

Best,

Gary